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yes it does, it talking about all the "sub spaces" in general in the statement
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Reintroducting HTC to the macrocosm. (DBS)
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nope, the way executor translated is straight up saying that it doesn't have time and space
Just in any case 「時間」や「空間」is literally "time and space"
"概念がなく" is literally "no concept, lacks concept, without concept"
「精神と時の部屋」や「スゴロク空間」などが確認されている。
The "Room of Spirit and Time" and "Sugoroku Space" have been confirmed.
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Can't concept literally mean how they view time and space as well rather than literal ontological version. So it would lack/be different than how the other worlds view time and space.
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That's why we can't use this scan at all. It contradicts the show.
No, we can't assume anything.
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Only seems to be a contradiction because of interpretation. Concept could literally just mean how they view it rather than ontological nature of it. Considering context it seems more likely it's referring to it as how it's different than the other dimensions.
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Oh well then we disregard it for being guide nonsense contradicted by main series portrayal, even the afterlife has a better argument in-universe for being atemporal,
which we also know it’s bs.
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there is not an interpretation, it is as straight forward as it can be
who is "they" here? i am sorry but the way you phrase it makes it really hard to understand what is your point
yeah? it is different sine it doesn't have any time or space, that is what it says for the difference after all
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I am literally saying that concept can be taken as how it has a different space and time so it lacks how the other dimensions see/has time or space not in an ontological way.
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Yeah that definitely makes sense and addresses the statement.
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it says that it literally does not have the concept of time and space
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It says CONCEPTS which could mean thought or idea or how it is perceived rather in an ontological way.
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this was addressed already by MGQ
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not when it is said literally like it is
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Considering the context of what the room of spirit and time is I feel that my interpretation is more likely. Plus
概念 - Jisho.org
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Btw, why did we started to talk about space time existing or not again?
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Something about a contradiction. I'm way too tired for this lol.
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My problem at first glance has already been mentioned by aachintya... So I dunno what to say
We cannot apply far fetched interpretation which twist the direct interpretation of scan. It doesn't have concept of time and space directly means, it doesn't in very least rather than being indifferent than rest of the world (which it doesn't imply at all). Conventional time applies in RoSaT as it flows, different places in our world as well have different rates of time flow.
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I don't think I'm talking about the Room of Spirit and Time and Sugoroku Space dimensions, but another dimension that doesn't have the concept of time, like emptiness.
All we know about Sugoroku Space is that it is between spacetime
All we know about Sugoroku Space is that it is between spacetime
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It is talking about both of them, it is talking about "sub spaces" ang gives examples of daid subspaces as being the HTC and the sugoroku space
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Don't know if this was already brought up, but according to Daizenshuu 7 the RoSat is located on Earth, i.e. within the macrocosm.
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The HTC/ROSAT having no time is flat out wrong. It just flows weirdly different.
A year in the room being a day out of it. If there was no time they would've just popped out at the same point they left
A year in the room being a day out of it. If there was no time they would've just popped out at the same point they left
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well, this is contradicting what the op is proposing
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No it isn't. This is talking about the location of the entrance to it.
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i said that what @BOEGVELD said "the rosat is on Earth" is against the proposal
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It's also against how this wiki currently treats it.
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So you can't really use that against it unless you are willing to accept the HTC is apart of the macrocosm. While this wiki currently treats it as completely outside.
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yeah
oh i am not using it at all, i was just pointing that out
which is not of much use when both contradict one another in where it is
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Oh alright.
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Keep in mind, the statement itself has reliability issues, as it suggests something that's not true (in the case of the Room of Spirit and Time having...no time).
Do you agree with the interpretation that these are just weird ways to talk about it's time shenanigans?
Asking to be 100% clear.
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Main point against the reliability of the scan.
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well firstly the most direct is, well, like lephyr said, it says that these "sub spaces" do not have any space or time, which is contradicted since the Room of spirit and time clearly does yet it is said to be one of those "sub spaces", also the contradiction in on itself on the scan,
"どの世界にも属さない
〈亜空間〉
That which doesn't belong to the world
〈Subspace〉
この他、【図1】の世界のどこにも属さない「亜空間」が存在している。
Also, there are subspaces that don't belong anywhere in the world depicted in [Fig.1]." basically it is saying that the so called "sub spaces" do belong/aren't part of the macrocosm at all, yet here: "
そこでは「時間」や「空間」といった概念がなく、どのエリアからも切り離された次元の間に位置している。
There isn't a concept of Time or Space there, they are located between dimensions and detached from any area."it is said to be between dimensions, so if it is interpreted as being between the macrocosm dimensions, then this is contradictory to what it said earlier, it could also be interpreted as not talking about the dimensions of the macrocosm tho, that would coroborate with what it says earlier about them not being part of the macrocosm
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Again, it's not part of any the areas depicted on the diagram (such as kaioshin realm, living world, afterlife) because it literally exists inbetween the dimensions of the macrocosm. It's not a contradiction at all. Please look at context and what it is referring to. Plus its a SUBspace which means it's a subset of something. It makes sense for it to be a subspace of the macrocosm.
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I also addressed the concept part just referring to how it lacks their concept (not concept as in ontological thing) of what time and space is due to the different nature and time flow of the areas.
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Okay I discussed this scan with others and regarding GT so the scan says that theres a subspace where there’s no concept of space and time and this subspace is between the dimensions of the macrocosm and then it says the RoSaT and Sugoroku space have been confirmed/identified it’s basically saying they reside in a sub space between the macrocosm and there’s a short Video I watched that explains it pretty well
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yes that video makes the most sense to me, the suguroku space and ROSAT are spacetimes that reside in a subspace between the dimensions of the macrocosm.
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After this thread is concluded in one way or another I think I'm done on the debating side of dragon ball because this shit is too mentally taxing for arguing over fiction.
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