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Reintroducting HTC to the macrocosm. (DBS)

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Isn't there a daizenshuu entry that puts the ROSAT inside the universe? Just because another unrelated HTC from an unknown world isn't linked doesn't mean the ROSAT isn't especially when he have statements saying it's linked supported by they fact that each time it's space time is ruptured, 4 in total, the person ends back in the living world
 
Jaakor48 said:
Isn't there a daizenshuu entry that puts the ROSAT inside the universe? Just because another unrelated HTC from an unknown world isn't linked doesn't mean the ROSAT isn't especially when he have statements saying it's linked supported by they fact that each time it's space time is ruptured, 4 in total, the person ends back in the living world
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yeah that means all the ROSAT's are located in that subspace
 
TiltedFN said:
Or it would just be explained by the concepts thing, not having the concept of conventional time to the living world.
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It says that the RoSaT and Sugoroku space have been confirmed/identified (Kanji can refer to either word) that means that they’ve been confirmed to in the subspace and that the subspace they’re in just has no concept of space and time which is consistent with what we’re shown in Gt and is the most logical explanation
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Again, it's not part of any the areas depicted on the diagram (such as kaioshin realm, living world, afterlife)
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that is not what it is said, it is said to not be part of the world depicted in the diagram, aka the macrocosm

BestMGQScalerEver said:
because it literally exists inbetween the dimensions of the macrocosm.
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well first of wall the scan never says that it is between the dimensions of the macrocosm, second of all, well, that would contradict what it says earlier, so i is a problem either way with what this is proposing

BestMGQScalerEver said:
It's not a contradiction at all. Please look at context and what it is referring to.
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please look at what it is saying in the first place

BestMGQScalerEver said:
Plus its a SUBspace which means it's a subset of something. It makes sense for it to be a subspace of the macrocosm.
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well, since it straight up says that it isn't part of the macrocosm, it has to be a subspace of something else, maybe the timeline
 
Jaakor48 said:
Isn't there a daizenshuu entry that puts the ROSAT inside the universe? Just because another unrelated HTC from an unknown world isn't linked doesn't mean the ROSAT isn't especially when he have statements saying it's linked supported by they fact that each time it's space time is ruptured, 4 in total, the person ends back in the living world
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the other one says that it is inside the living universe, and that is contradicting to what this thread is proposing
 
Jaakor48 said:
Isn't there a daizenshuu entry that puts the ROSAT inside the universe? Just because another unrelated HTC from an unknown world isn't linked doesn't mean the ROSAT isn't especially when he have statements saying it's linked supported by they fact that each time it's space time is ruptured, 4 in total, the person ends back in the living world
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Isn't the Chozenchuu latest, and as such, take priority (as in, its info simply retcons the Daizenshuu)?
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Isn't the Chozenchuu latest, and as such, take priority (as in, its info simply retcons the Daizenshuu)?
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It’s just telling us that the entrance of the RoSaT is on the Earth which is accurate anyways
godofice said:
Okay I discussed this scan with others and regarding GT so the scan says that theres a subspace where there’s no concept of space and time and this subspace is between the dimensions of the macrocosm and then it says the RoSaT and Sugoroku space have been confirmed/identified it’s basically saying they reside in a sub space between the macrocosm and there’s a short Video I watched that explains it pretty well
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godofice said:
It says that the RoSaT and Sugoroku space have been confirmed/identified (Kanji can refer to either word) that means that they’ve been confirmed to in the subspace and that the subspace they’re in just has no concept of space and time which is consistent with what we’re shown in Gt and is the most logical explanation
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Lonkitt said:
To make sure I don’t mix up what others have said, what are these said issues if you can list them down?
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What do y’all think?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I don't think I'm talking about the Room of Spirit and Time and Sugoroku Space dimensions, but another dimension that doesn't have the concept of time, like emptiness.

All we know about Sugoroku Space is that it is between spacetime

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Bump. This should be greater evidence that HTC is included as a subspace between dimensions/space-time as Sugoroku Space is explicitly said to be an area between dimensions and space-time. In Chozenshu context is given which adds HTC as one of those subspaces so it would atleast apply to GT's cosmology which still ends up affecting universe 7. As being between dimensions in context of it explicitly refers to the macrocosm.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Bump. This should be greater evidence that HTC is included as a subspace between dimensions/space-time as Sugoroku Space is explicitly said to be an area between dimensions and space-time. In Chozenshu context is given which adds HTC as one of those subspaces so it would atleast apply to GT's cosmology which still ends up affecting universe 7. As being between dimensions in context of it explicitly refers to the macrocosm.
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It won't upgrade Super, since its only planet sized
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Bump. This should be greater evidence that HTC is included as a subspace between dimensions/space-time as Sugoroku Space is explicitly said to be an area between dimensions and space-time. In Chozenshu context is given which adds HTC as one of those subspaces so it would atleast apply to GT's cosmology which still ends up affecting universe 7. As being between dimensions in context of it explicitly refers to the macrocosm.
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well the guide still states that it isn't so, if you want to use that as a justification for soguroku space then okay, but the statement in the guide would still be self contradicting itself
 
I'll just address the so called "contradictions" one last time.

No it being not part of any world but also as an entirely separate subspace between dimensions of the macrocosm isn't a contradiction.

Why? Because contextually it is literally talking about the macrocosm and the dimensions of it which is also supported in GT as sugoroku space is explicitly stated to be a subspace/area between dimensions. It being a subspace means it would have to be a subset of something which can easily be inferred as a subspace/subset of the macrocosm from the given context. It just means it is not connected to any of the dimensions/worlds shown on the macrocosm diagram but instead exists between them.

For the concept of space and time stuff I'll explain why that isn't a contradiction.

Because a more reasonable conclusion rather it just lacking literal ontological concepts of space or time (which the writer should quite easily know that the room of spirit and time does infact have time as its such a prevalent part of the series). Instead it just means it lacks the traditional notions (yea concept can just mean someones thought or idea of something crazy right?) of time and space usually seen in the space-times of the macrocosm like HTC having an entirely different time flow and there being different properties of space such as sugoroku space being impossible to enter even via kai kai which usually is able to travel between the dimensions of the macrocosm.
 
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There’s a subspace with no concept of space and time between the dimensions of the Macrocosm the sugoroku space and RoSaT have been confirmed/identified to be in them I don’t see a contradiction
 
just putting my part here as well

omegabronic said:
well firstly the most direct is, well, like lephyr said, it says that these "sub spaces" do not have any space or time, which is contradicted since the Room of spirit and time clearly does yet it is said to be one of those "sub spaces", also the contradiction in on itself on the scan,
"どの世界にも属さない
〈亜空間〉
That which doesn't belong to the world
〈Subspace〉

この他、【図1】の世界のどこにも属さない「亜空間」が存在している。
Also, there are subspaces that don't belong anywhere in the world depicted in [Fig.1]." basically it is saying that the so called "sub spaces" do belong/aren't part of the macrocosm at all, yet here: "
そこでは「時間」や「空間」といった概念がなく、どのエリアからも切り離された次元の間に位置している。
There isn't a concept of Time or Space there, they are located between dimensions and detached from any area."it is said to be between dimensions, so if it is interpreted as being between the macrocosm dimensions, then this is contradictory to what it said earlier, it could also be interpreted as not talking about the dimensions of the macrocosm tho, that would coroborate with what it says earlier about them not being part of the macrocosm
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just as further clarification on my part
どの世界にも属さない
〈亜空間〉
That which doesn't belong to the world
〈Subspace〉

この他、【図1】の世界のどこにも属さない「亜空間」が存在している。
Also, there are subspaces that don't belong anywhere in the world depicted in [Fig.1].

Figure 1 (図1) refers to the diagram of the Macrocosm that was depicted on the page previous to it.

fig1=macrocos, if it is saying that it doesn't belong to it at all, then it is a pretty clear cut in what it means
 
Atp someone needs to put this on Executor’s wall because the only argument is that Executor’s explanation for the translation wasn’t based off a good basis and is merely speculation so it would be cool if we can get his input as the Japanese translator
 
godofice said:
Atp someone needs to put this on Executor’s wall because the only argument is that Executor’s explanation for the translation wasn’t based off a good basis and is merely speculation so it would be cool if we can get his input as the Japanese translator
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that is not the argument at all, it is just that based on the text translated another meaning is seen compared to what he described
 
And Japanese is a very contextual language and Executor has already told us that it’s saying that the subspace is not depicted in the diagram and that it’s between dimensions of the macrocosm I don’t know why people are arguing it’s an opinion and not something Executor got from the context which is a bad argument imo because the translator already gave us the translation and context for it I’d probably ask Lephy for his thoughts
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
And Japanese is a very contextual language and Executor has already told us that it’s saying that the subspace is not depicted in the diagram and that it’s between dimensions of the macrocosm I don’t know why people are arguing it’s an opinion and not something Executor got from the context which is a bad argument imo because the translator already gave us the translation and context for it I’d probably ask Lephy for his thoughts
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Because the translation of the text is stright up not saying this, show where in the text does it imply that it is in between the dimensions when the transpation clearly states that it isn't in the world depicted at all, instead of aeguing for him why not just call him here?
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
Why? We already have a staff agree in this crt we just need another one
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For big and comtroversial verses like db we need 3 staff agreement, and the only one who agreed was lonkit, who seems to have dialed back on his agreement, asking him to comment again is the best course of action here
 
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