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Regarding Transcending Time and Space
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You have no objection from me about this and pretty sure the others that agree with Matt and Sera won't likely object that.
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Do the thing.
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I think that should be taken on another thread regarding that character. I assume a CRT or QA thread will be more suitable for that purpose.Pepper14832 said:
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Hmmm I not sure if it will get a lot of attention given how it kinda does derail from the topic the OP intends to go for here so you may need to make another thread regarding that character, preferably a CRT I assume.Tsubasa16 said:
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Should we also mention this on the speed page?
"Please take note that simple statements of transcending and/or overcoming space/time without any further elaboration is not enough to grant Infinite or Immeasurable speed ratings. Such statements could be flowery language or at most simply refer to resistance to space-time manipulation or basic time travel."
"Please take note that simple statements of transcending and/or overcoming space/time without any further elaboration is not enough to grant Infinite or Immeasurable speed ratings. Such statements could be flowery language or at most simply refer to resistance to space-time manipulation or basic time travel."
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Yeah, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to do so as well.
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According to what was decided about only the statement of "transcending space-time" not being enough to be Low 2-C, would said statement of "transcending space and time" plus a statement of "transcending causality" be "enough" ro be classified as Low 2-C or would it still be considered as Unknown?
I am not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but i assume so since that's asking about the decision that was made.
I am not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but i assume so since that's asking about the decision that was made.
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Likely unknown if there isn't any feats to support this I am afraid.
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Since we are on this thread and topic already, what about an attack that "goes beyond space-time" with the effect of being able to target any being connected to the direct target of an attack, e.g. an avatar of the enemy you fight is right in front of you and you attack said avatar with a "normal attack" that got the "beyond space-time" effect imbued into it and it causes the damage of the "normal attack" to reach the "real body" and any other connected clones, duplicates or avatars of the target directly and instantly.
What would this sort attack be classified as in terms of range and attack speed?
What would this sort attack be classified as in terms of range and attack speed?
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I'm honestly not seeing how one isn't able to freey move through time if they are transcending it entirely.
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Xerkser500 said:
Mainly if there is literally nothing supporting it since they also could be bound to space while not bound by time.
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I doubt fiction always show this will be the case especially if it doesn't hit the intended target in question or shown to have no effect on the said target as well.NeoSuperior said:
At the very least, the range will be cross dimensional if the said target is in a different dimension , but the speed is ,on the other hand, a different matter. If somehow it is depicted to shown to hit the said target, but not immediately then obviously it is not infinite nor immeasurable for that matter,
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Transcending causality isn't tier 2, it's Acausality. There's someone who has the most extreme version as a 5-C/4-B, it's not really related to tiering.
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Type 5 acausality to be exact.
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I like Sera's suggestion.
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Alright, "Transcending Causality" on its own should absolutely not be justification for Type 5. This is an ability that negs almost everything within someone's own tier, don't hand it out so easily.
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If they're established to transcend causality in its totality, that's just how it is. Pretty sure everyone who has it has more than just one offhand statement though.
No matter what it is, it's one of the types.
No matter what it is, it's one of the types.
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However the statement in question didn't specific they transcend causality in its totality.Wokistan said:
Also those that does have Type 5 does have more clarifications I assume?
We not gonna throw a free pass for a statement and use it to justify Type 5 especially if there is nothing to support that type.
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I did make a QA about this
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You not gonna link that?
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3006540Andytrenom said:
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Please don't quote large things.
As for the type 5 acasuality stuff: The only ones I know of are 40k daemons in the warp, Oryx, Daedric Princes, and 1-As. A statement like that can be used to help aid in attaining such a reason, but on its own would not be regarded as such. I was just saying it's some sort of acausality, and used Oryx having type 5 as an example of how it doesn't relate to AP.
As for the type 5 acasuality stuff: The only ones I know of are 40k daemons in the warp, Oryx, Daedric Princes, and 1-As. A statement like that can be used to help aid in attaining such a reason, but on its own would not be regarded as such. I was just saying it's some sort of acausality, and used Oryx having type 5 as an example of how it doesn't relate to AP.
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@Woki
I see.
I see.
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True as it is unrelated to the topic on hand so my bad since I did got involved into that a bit.AKM sama said:
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It's basically the same text that is added to the Tiering System page, just modified to fit into the Speed page.
The OP addresses that statements like "transcending time and space" cause problems for both speed and tiers of characters (I'd say it causes more confusion for speed), so I thought if we're adding a note in the tiering system page, we should also add a note in the speed page.
The OP addresses that statements like "transcending time and space" cause problems for both speed and tiers of characters (I'd say it causes more confusion for speed), so I thought if we're adding a note in the tiering system page, we should also add a note in the speed page.
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Well, Shadow said Jiren was beyond time with Flowery Language logic....yet He far surpasses the speed of light.....characters weaker than him can creat after images to point that they all can be seperately touchable.....shouldnt Jiren be above time?SinsofMan said:
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This thread was necro'd
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No. Jiren being "beyond time" is literally referring to his resistance to time based attacks like Hit's time cage. It has nothing to do with AP or Speed as Shin's comment was in response to Jiren breaking out of the time cage, not moving at immeasurable speeds or threatening time-space with his attacks.
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