Regarding Tier Rating-Specific Categories

[Promestein]

Tier 2 done.

 

[Damage3245]

Tier 2 done.

Excellent work.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Thanks a lot for all of your help.

 

[Antvasima]

Hello.

This is just an announcement regarding that this project seems to have been finished now thanks to the combined efforts of Elizhaa, Amelia, and especially Promestein, who went above and beyond in this regard.

Massive thanks to all of them for helping out so much. You are all awesome.

 

[Antvasima]

@Damage3245

Would you or somebody else here be willing to write up a draft text modification for our standard format page?

Standard Format for Character Profiles

When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The header image for that page obviously also needs to be updated accordingly, so I would greatly appreciate help from our Image Helper group in that regard.

@Colonel_Krukov @Zaratthustra @ZackMoon1234 @Dark-Carioca @MistaClean @MonkeyOfLife

 

[Dark-Carioca]

What's wrong with the current one?

 

[Antvasima]

My mistake. I just checked, and it seems like it doesn't need to have a part of it updated from '''7-A''' to {{7-A}}, for example.

The instructions in the page still need to be updated though. After that I can create an announcement thread regarding the subject.

 

[The_Impress]

Don't need to change much I believe

Tier: Current Tier of the character (in bold).

The brackets here should instead say "with the individual tier ratings itself enclosed within curly brackets "{{ }}""

For character profiles, always insert the category "Characters", as well as one with the name of the related franchise here.

You should also always add the tier or tiers for each character. These go from "Tier 11" to "Tier 0", and also include "Unknown Tier".

For example, the most important categories in Son Goku's page are "Characters", "Dragon Ball", and "Tier 2".

Also this needs to be re-edited to not mention tier categories, given the template auto-adds them regardless. So:

For character profiles, always insert the category "Characters", as well as one with the name of the related franchise here.

For example, the most important categories in Son Goku's page are "Characters" and "Dragon Ball".

Tier categories may not need be added as the templates used in the "Tier" section will automatically add the respective categories

 

[Antvasima]

I have updated the page:

Standard Format for Character Profiles

When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is this acceptable, or is there anything else that I need to adjust there?

 

[The_Impress]

This works fine, actually

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

Are we finished here then, or is there anything left to do here?

 

[The_Impress]

Think we're finished, yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Wait, there are two issues left at least:

Is it a good idea if I use my own (inherited) Kav-Bot account to remove all now redundant manually added tier categories from our wiki pages,as the templates will maintain them anyway?

Also, I will need to update our wiki navigation bar and tiering system explanation page with links to all of the sub-tier categories.

 

[Antvasima]

The highest sub-tier categories also need to have their explanation texts updated, given the recent updates to our tiering system page.

 

[The_Impress]

Wait, there are two issues left at least:

Is it a good idea if I use my own (inherited) Kav-Bot account to remove all now redundant manually added tier categories from our wiki pages,as the templates will maintain them anyway?

I think best not to, in case there happen to be some archaic files with wonk bolding in the tier section. Bot may not have picked it up and we just isolated it even more to fix.

Also, I will need to update our wiki navigation bar and tiering system explanation page with links to all of the sub-tier categories.

Kk

The highest sub-tier categories also need to have their explanation texts updated, given the recent updates to our tiering system page.

Yeah, also just noticed Tier 0 doesn't have a writeup altogether.

 

[Antvasima]

I have now updated our tiering system explanation page accordingly, and also tried to improve on its structure a bit in the process:

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is the way that I tried to fix the double-mention of the 1-A/Outerverse level section acceptable, @DontTalkDT , @KingPin0422 , and @Ultima_Reality ?

 

[Antvasima]

I have now also updated the explanation sections in all of our tier categories.

 

[Antvasima]

Is the way that I tried to fix the double-mention of the 1-A/Outerverse level section acceptable, @DontTalkDT , @KingPin0422 , and @Ultima_Reality ?

You basically need to check if the Low Outerverse level section is currently acceptable.

 

[Antvasima]

I have now updated our wiki navigation bar as well. Please tell me here if anybody notices any mistakes there or in my previously linked edits, so they can be corrected.

Wiki-navigation

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

I think best not to, in case there happen to be some archaic files with wonk bolding in the tier section. Bot may not have picked it up and we just isolated it even more to fix.

Hmm. I am uncertain in either direction, as it turns the wiki rather unstructured and incoherent otherwise. The old-form tier categories also seem redundant to keep around.

Can't the remaining pages be handled by Elizhaa using Promestein's version of the mass edit script on the entire "Characters" category instead, for example?

Yeah, also just noticed Tier 0 doesn't have a writeup altogether.

I handled it earlier.

 

[The_Impress]

Hmm. I am uncertain in either direction, as it turns the wiki rather unstructured and incoherent otherwise. The old-form tier categories also seem redundant to keep around.

Can't the remaining pages be handled by Elizhaa using Promestein's version of the mass edit script on the entire "Characters" category instead, for example?

I haven't checked Prom's modified code yet, I'll ask her about it.

I handled it earlier.

kk

 

[KingPin0422]

I have now updated our tiering system explanation page accordingly, and also tried to improve on its structure a bit in the process:

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is the way that I tried to fix the double-mention of the 1-A/Outerverse level section acceptable, @DontTalkDT , @KingPin0422 , and @Ultima_Reality ?

This is the initial tier for characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other.

This is like, not really true of Low 1-A at all, I feel? Low 1-A is quite literally just the next infinite cardinal number after High 1-B layer-wise, so it absolutely does not "stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes." I would change Low 1-A's description back to how it was before, and then rewrite High 1-A's description a bit to accommodate this instead.

This is the initial tier for characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other, as it exceeds what the logical framework defining 1-A and below can allow. Practically speaking, this would be something completely unreachable to any 1-A hierarchies, even those with an infinite or uncountably infinite number of layers.

A concrete example of this tier would be an inaccessible cardinal, which in simple terms is a number so large that it cannot be reached ("accessed") by smaller numbers, and as such has to be "assumed" to exist in order to be made sense of or defined in a formal context (Unlike the standard aleph numbers, which can be straightforwardly put together using the building blocks of set theory). Even just the amount of infinite cardinals between the first inaccessible cardinal and aleph-2 (Which defines 1-A) is greater than cardinals such as aleph-0, aleph-1, aleph-2, aleph-3, etc., and even many aleph numbers whose index is an infinite ordinal. More information on the concept is available on this page.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. So should I simply move your version of the initial text column for the current Low 1-A to High 1-A instead then?

Also, are KingPin's suggestions fine with you, @DontTalkDT and @Ultima_Reality ? I would appreciate a quick reply, as we are in a bit of a hurry here.

 

[Antvasima]

@KingPin0422

I made a quick restoration fix to avoid misunderstandings while we are waiting for input:

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

The structure of the Tiering System page is not at all ideal in this manner though.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What are we revising here and why?
I assume this isn't directly about the initial purpose of this thread and I sadly can't quite follow the debate.

 

[KLOL506]

We're only supposed to be working on adding tier-specific categories, not overhauling how Tier 1 works, that has its own CRT to be handled at.

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT

You only really have to evaluate the information in the following posts:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/regarding-tier-rating-specific-categories.118964/post-4618377

https://vsbattles.com/threads/regarding-tier-rating-specific-categories.118964/post-4619828

I had to reorganise the structure of the tiering system page a bit for practical reasons after we added "1-A", "5-C", etc tier categories to most of our wiki profile pages.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I'm still confused why reorganistion includes changes to wording, but I will just look over the information, I guess.

This is like, not really true of Low 1-A at all, I feel? Low 1-A is quite literally just the next infinite cardinal number after High 1-B layer-wise, so it absolutely does not "stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes." I would change Low 1-A's description back to how it was before, and then rewrite High 1-A's description a bit to accommodate this instead.

as it exceeds what the logical framework defining 1-A and below can allow

Isn't that technically not quite true? ZFC allows for inaccessible cardinals, but just can't prove that they exist, no? Perhaps "be proven to contain" would be more accurate than "allow"? Is this off-topic? I guess it might be...

I agree that Low 1-A doesn't "stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes" in any case. So I'm fine with KingPin's suggestion.

 

[KLOL506]

I'm still confused why reorganistion includes changes to wording, but I will just look over the information, I guess.


Isn't that technically not quite true? ZFC allows for inaccessible cardinals, but just can't prove that they exist, no? Perhaps "be proven to contain" would be more accurate than "allow"? Is this off-topic? I guess it might be...

I agree that Low 1-A doesn't "stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes" in any case. So I'm fine with KingPin's suggestion.

Guys, this isn't the thread to do that. This is for adding categories for Tiers.

 

[Antvasima]

Guys, this isn't the thread to do that. This is for adding categories for Tiers.

We are already done with that part. Currently we are doing the final cleanup work, due to myself having to update the organisation of our tiering system page based on this. See the links that I provided earlier.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm still confused why reorganistion includes changes to wording, but I will just look over the information, I guess.

The previous structure for the tiering system page was messy, so I tried to fix it in conjunction. Please see the links that I provided earlier for easy overviews of exactly what I did. Thank you.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What you did seems ok.
As mentioned above I have some concerns regarding content but from the looks of it that was already part of Ultima's version, so I will bring it up in the explanation thread instead.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation.

 

[Antvasima]

@KLOL506

Here is an easy overview of all the edits that I did in our tiering system page combined:

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[KLOL506]

We are already done with that part. Currently we are doing the final cleanup work, due to myself having to update the organisation of our tiering system page based on this. See the links that I provided earlier.

Ah, sorry, didn't know you guys had shifted to a different topic. In that case, I think I'll take my leave now, I am ill-suited to handle Tier 1 know-hows.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we just switched that part of the discussion to another, more appropriate, thread.

 

[Antvasima]

If it is fine, I would prefer to use my own Bot account to remove all of the now redundant manually added tier categories, given that it would make it much easier in the long run to make sure that all of our profile pages do not contain tier categories that are mismatched with their tier sections.

@AKM sama @Promestein @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus @Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu

Is this acceptable for you?

 

[Damage3245]

Yes, manually entered categories for Tiers at least are no longer necessary on pages and would be best if they're removed.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the reply.