Regarding Teenage Amara (Supernatural)

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Been meaning to ask, why is she 8-C for overpowering Crowley? Crowley isn't 8-C in any of his keys, and even if she overpowered 9-A Crowley, I feel like it doesn't make much sense for her to be an entire tier above him even if she did manage to completely own the guy.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

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[Assaltwaffle]

I agree with this. Being superior to a 9-A by an unknown margin doesn't make you 8-C.

 

[Nico-v11]

What do you mean Crowley isn't 8-C? He's High 8-C when King of Hell (which's he's been for many seasons and while he was overpowered by Amara).

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

8-C and High 8-C are two separate tiers.

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok yes but Amara overpowered him while he was High 8-C

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Then she should be High 8-C, not just 8-C.

 

[Nico-v11]

Yeah basically

 

[Nico-v11]

Also I just noticed The Darkness has Type 5 immortality while God doesn't. They should both have it considering they are siblings and equal in power

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

That makes sense.

I wonder if there are any other SPN profiles whose tiers are out-of-line with the people they supposedly scale to. We had this same problem with Metatron's rating a while back IIRC.

 

[Nico-v11]

I also made this Crowley CRT thread but it hasn't been very popular.....

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1312588?useskin=oasis

 

[Assaltwaffle]

It has more activity than some lol. If I were to make a Divinity or Rivals of Aether revisions thread (which I will need to soon for the latter, considering they have some MHS+ feats) it would get like no attention.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Will respond to CRT some other time but yeah agreeing with the changes here.

Unsure about the Tier 5 immortality though.

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok so here the following changes that have been accepted:

- High 8-C Amara

- Atomic level Matter Manipulation Crowley (from my thread)

Changes to be discussed:

- Type 5 Immortality for God (due to The Darkeness having it)

 

[The_Everlasting]

The Darkness has it because she embodies nothingness and is older than Death.

God however is (possibly) younger than Death and Death stated he would eventually reap God at the end of time.

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok good point but God is fully capable of killing her. Therefore he can get past that type 5 immortality, should that be mentioned at least?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Why exactly Teenage Amara has 3-A durability? Shouldn't this apply just to her "full" form?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

...That's a good question, actually.

I wish Matt were here. I tried getting his attention already, but I don't think he saw the message I left on his wall.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Didn't it state something like her rivaling God even as a Teenager. That is what the wikia indicate, anyways.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I don't remember this being implied anywhere, the only time something vaguely related to this has been bought up was when Adult Amara briefly manifested inside a mirror and told Child Amara that they were stronger than God

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

.... Is... That contradicted by anything though ?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Probably contradicted by the fact that she was nowhere near her Full Power at the time, and had to keep consuming souls (or demons) to regain it

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Well... I am unsure about that. Not disagreeing... Just unsure. If she rivaled God at that point when she was a Child .... Her Full Power had to be overwhelmed by God , ALL the angels and all patreons of Heaven .... Utilizing her weakness, and even when heavily weakened still had a vast superiority over God.... That is a pretty big difference in power.

 

[Nico-v11]

That's too big of a difference in power. In fact Amara was still able to be harmed by the Host of Heaven (though not much) therefore we should put her around whereever that power range is

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The Host of Heaven was using light.... Her weakness that caused her defeat many times .

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok so an attack of said power plus her weakness > than a regular attack of the same power without her weakness

It just means that at the very least she can resist something of that scale of power regardless of it having light or not

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I was just saying we shouldn´t use it to ┬¿downgrade┬¿ .

 

[Nico-v11]

I just used it to upgrade her though

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

.... OH.

 

[Nico-v11]

I was just saying there's no way she rivals God while as Amara and was able to be harmed by the Host of Heaven. Her durability (and AP I suppose) should scale to whatever the Host of Heaven's attack is, while also considering even then it was using her weakness.

Now we must consider that God >>>>>>>>>>> Host of Heaven

Therefore she cannot scale to God as Amara but she is in fact much greater than what we have her as

 

[Nico-v11]

Anyway can someone add the changes that have been accepted? I'd do it myself but I'm on mobile and I'd just end making a mess of the profiles

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Have the changes here been accepted by enough people yet?

If so, I can go ahead and edit the profiles myself.

 

[Nico-v11]

Crowley's Atomic level matter manipulation and Amara's High 8-C durability have been.

Although Amara possibly having much higher durability was kinda discussed (Host of Heaven attack does increase her durability).

God type 5 immortality so far has not been accepted