Regarding Sol's 4-B Status

[Ryukama]

Hello. There appears to be some bizarre circlar powerscaling when it comes to Sol Badguy being at Solar System level.

The justification for Sol being 4-B is that he is "Capable of fighting That Ma and Slayer"

But then on That Man's profile, his justification for being 4-B is that he " slapped Sol Badguy around"

And Slayer's justification for 4-B is that he "is easily comparable to Sol"

Therefore none of these characters actually have a Solar System feat and all powerscale each other in a circular fashion. Can anyone familar with this series please give a reason as to why they are Solar System level, and if so add that reason in instead.

 

[The_Everlasting]

They are powerscaled from base Sol, whereas Sol fought them equally when he was transformed, ergo, 4-B.

 

[Ryukama]

But where does Solar System come from though? Is there some statement or feat that puts anyone at Solar System? Cause right now this is how the profiles are going.

Sol is 4-B from fighting That Man and Slayer. That Man and Slayer are 4-B from fighting Sol. It doesn't make sense.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Here's how it works:

That Man is 4-B for casually slapping around a partially transformed Sol Badguy.

Slayer is considered on-par with That Man and far above base Sol.

Once Sol fully transforms, he's able to fight them on even ground.

 

[Ryukama]

That would make sense then, however why is partially transformed Sol 4-B though? Or why would beating partial Sol be a 4-B feat?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Beating him is a 4-B feat, AFAIK, especially given the casual ease That Man went with beating him.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

What Ryu is trying to say is if there is any feat/statment like blowing up a solar system for Sol in the first place not just powerscaling without any reasoning i believe.

 

[Ryukama]

Characters can easily curbstomp each other within the same tier however. The high end to low end within large star is a factor of 1530. Would you really say that TM stomped partial Sol with such unbelievable ease to not only consitute a new tier but that he would be that much stronger?

I'm not trying to argue or call for anyone's downgrading or anything. I am simply asking questions since I do not know.

 

[Lina_Shields]

I remember there was a calculation where Sol in base form makes a mini black hole with his fist and it resulted in a couple hundred tenatons of TNT or something, which placed Base Sol in Large Star level. However, considering that we ignore black hole feats, as well as Jack-O's Rider Kick that only resulted in Moon level (which is prob. highballed), I am really wondering if Sol and other guilty gear characters are even Large Star level in the first place.

And Jack-O should comparable Sol Badguy base form from what I've heard, and she's only moon level with her strongest attack.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I remember there was a calculation where Sol in base form makes a mini black hole with his fist and it resulted in a couple hundred tenatons of TNT or something, which placed Base Sol in Large Star level. However, considering that we ignore black hole feats, as well as Jack-O's Rider Kick that only resulted in Moon level (which is prob. highballed), I am really wondering if Sol and other guilty gear characters are even Large Star level in the first place.

There was a thread about this (The result was double-digit tenakilotons btw), and Ant agreed to use the feat.

@Ryu

Sol is easily in the higher-end of the tier (12 tenakilotons, in addition to being kind of like Saitama in the sense that he does everything casually and not at full power), and even with a significantly augmented half-transformation, That Man still casually stomped him.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Was DT involved in the discussion on this topic? He'd probably clue us in on the scenario.

I'll actually PM him right now if he responds.

 

[Ryukama]

Alright then thanks very much for clearing that up @Ever. Perhaps what you said should be added as a note or something to prevent any further confusion.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Was DT involved in the discussion on this topic? He'd probably clue us in on the scenario.
I'll actually PM him right now if he responds.

It was Ant and Vivi. Contacting DT seems unnecessary, honestly.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Perhaps not. Jack-O's 32 trillion times C doesn't help this discussion either lol.

 

[Ryukama]

@Ever I think something like this may be good for the profiles

That Ma: Solar System (casually stomped a partially transformed Sol, then when Sol fully transformed, That Man was still able to put up a good fight with him)

Note: Considering prior to the transformation Sol is still casually at the highest end of Large Star, then That Man was able to stomp a greater form with ease, then still put up a fight against his greatest form, it is rather safe to put That Man at 4-B)

Sol Badguy: Solar System (can fight off That Man once he is fully transformed)

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Ryu

That sounds perfect.

 

[Ryukama]

Alright thank you very much @Ever.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, considering how extremely wide the solar system level category is, I doubt that we should keep the "At least" part before "Solar System level" for either of their profiles.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

^ Completely agree.

 

[Antvasima]

So, does anybody want to help out by removing the previously mentioned "At least" part for the Guilty Gear profiles?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Sure.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Not a problem. Noticed the link of this character's AP is busted.

Nevermind, it was fixed since last I checked. Is there anything else?

@Ever I think something like this may be good for the profiles

That Ma: Solar System (casually stomped a partially transformed Sol, then when Sol fully transformed, That Man was still able to put up a good fight with him)

Note: Considering prior to the transformation Sol is still casually at the highest end of Large Star, then That Man was able to stomp a greater form with ease, then still put up a fight against his greatest form, it is rather safe to put That Man at 4-B)

Sol Badguy: Solar System (can fight off That Man once he is fully transformed)

Can I add this as well?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Just remember to check through, and adjust, all of the Guilty Gear profiles, not just Sol Badguy. Thank you.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Don't worry, I checked and only Sol had the at least 4-B rating.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. Never mind then.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Done.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

And about this Slayer's calc?

1.28 KiloFoe = Solar System level

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20496

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that we can use Kinetic Energy feats for faster than light speeds.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Antvasima, correct, they tend to give outlandish results

 

[AidenBrooks999]

No, at the end of the blog (in the final thoughts) the user post a different method

Thats why I post it

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Is the second one correct?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Hello? ;-;

 

[Antvasima]

No. Probably not. It was an illogical flash for stylish dramatic effect. The light from that distance should take many lightyears to reach the original destination.