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Regarding OPM striking strength

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Well the old Saitama hologram shattered the program after one usuage. The VGS may not have had the power to properly replicate Saitama's full power. But even if Garou Saitama > Boros Saitama power wise, that still may not mean much considering he didn't use his full power on either.
 
We already know the VGS can't simulate fighting spirit, so what reason would we have to believe it can accurately portray limiter removed power? Especially when Saitama himself calls it unreliable and irrelevant to real life.
 
Because it's can measure pure strength. Saitama didn't use any abstract power like fighting spirit or anger, but just punch his target with raw power.
 
Maraderchik said:
Because it's can measure pure strength. Saitama didn't use any abstract power like fighting spirit or anger, but just punch his target with raw power.
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Let's be honest; Saitama's limit breaking is sort of an abstract power. It's not really any different to trying to simulate fighting spirit.
 
Fighting spirit cannot be more complex than power that literally defies God's will. Especially when fighting spirit is just gradually getting stronger over time, but not to the point of ever breaking one's limiter.

Also again Saitama himself deems the machine inaccurate to his power, and Saitama showed that he can overwhelm the system with his held back strength.

EDIT: Damage ninja'd me and put it way better lol
 
I noticed some people saying that Boros's striking strength should be multi continent class. But his SS rating comes from damaging his ship which is only continent level in durability so shouldn't Boros be only continent class as well?
 
Except, as we discussed above for like 40 minutes, a headbutt is a more go f**k yourself attack than a punch IRl. Why would it be any different here? Wouldn't comparing a serious punch to a serous headbutt be the same as comparing a punch to a headbutt IRL?
 
Bringing up the headbutt feat is pointless IMO. It's better to compare a move they were both directly hit by; the Consecutive Normal Punches.

Boros was blown to pieces (and regenerated), whereas Garou was simply sent flying.
 
Feat wise Boros's Striking Strength is Continent Class for damaging his ship and he has Multi-Continent durability for not being splattered by the shockwaves of the serious punch.


His Multi-Continent Striking Strength rating would come from damaging Garou and vice versa based on the statement by ONE. Them being outright 5B in striking strength and durability is just iffy to my understanding.
 
@Damage And bringing up this whole debate is kinda pointless since regardless according to ONE they're both somewhat on par with each other. So they should have the same rating.
 
Even if you compare two Saitama's serious series punch, it doesn't mean both of them would have same power.

And again, it's would be dire situation for Saitama if Garous just blown up by his attack.
 
But with scaling they have Multi-Continent class. Garou can damage Boros which means he has MC Striking Strength and Boros can damage Garou so he has MC Striking Strength. Feat wise he's only Continent class though, but we're including the ONE statement.
 
If Boros is downgraded to just 6-A then Garou's AP/Striking Strength has to downgraded too either Unknow or At least 7-A/Low 6-B, since his current rating is derived from Boros scaling. Assuming we're disregarding the ONE statement. If not see my comment above.
 
Wait, are we downgrading Boros's AP? But even if his striking strength isn't planet level, he himself is with his Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon.
 
> Wait, are we downgrading Boros's AP?


No. the proposed change would only apply to his striking strength. However if we disregard the Boros vs Garou statement like Spino suggested then Garou's AP will be knocked down to 7A or Low 6B
 
Qawsedf234 said:
> Wait, are we downgrading Boros's AP?


No. the proposed change would only apply to his striking strength. However if we disregard the Boros vs Garou statement like Spino suggested then Garou's AP will be knocked down to 7A or Low 6B
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Boros is still planet level with his ultimate move though.
 
Week the move is High 6A or 5B. But even in the 5B case Boros likely doesn't have 5B striking strength.
 
Really this comes down to if we accept ONE's statement or not. If we do then Boros has Multi-Contental Striking strength since he can harm Garou. If we don't then Boros has Contental striking force and Garou will need his AP heavily reduced.
 
first just get the current issue with 5B rating for all of his attacks out of the way since it hasnt been fixed yet
 
If we're using the 5B statement for the CSRC then I'd guess that him and Garou would be Low-5B.
 
I agree with Ryukama, and he's really tired of discussing the statistics here. Also, Author statements are a case by case scenario. Specific and/or moderated statements such as Saitama being Planet level or Cell being Solar System level are 100% legit. Statements about character A => Character B are also generally alright as long as there's nothing to disprove. It's just obvious hyperboles and understatements such as statements regarding omnipotence or describing superhumans as normal people aren't valid. Statements that lack specific method or timeframe for life wiping are also rather vague, but specifying that character can bust a planet with one attack is generally legit.

Boros in his prime is legit comparable to Garou in his prime and both of them are overwhelmingly stronger than all the S-Class heroes including Tatsumaki when in their prime. But are in the same boat as each other against Semi-Serious Saitama. I'm neutral about striking strength being downgraded, but Boros legit briefly survived an attack that was technically above baseline Planet level. When Saitama deflected the Collapsing Roar Cannon, he rebounded it with significantly greater force than the initial attack, which was already possibly Planet level. This proves that at the very least Boros's durability scales to CRC when he briefly survived. If he didn't have this level of durability, it would have had his body completely incinerated on the spot.
 
> but Boros legit briefly survived an attack that was technically above baseline Planet level. When Saitama deflected the Collapsing Roar Cannon, he rebounded it with significantly greater force than the initial attack, which was already possibly Planet level.

But the power of Saitama's attack was reduced by the CSRC in either case since the serious punch shockwaves were calced at Multi-Contiental level. Even the one second high end.
 
But on topoc if we're still accepting the statement then the only downgrade that's up for discussion is if Boros needs a slight downgrade for his 5B key. If not then just close the thread.
 
The shockwaves were calc's at that yes, but that doesn't mean the actual punch or the cannon were that low. CSRC was rebounded at greater speed than the initial speed it was traveling at when Boros through it. Boros also still scales to the Moon jump, which shouldn't be weaker than Saitama's casual punches, which Boros withstood.
 
> The shockwaves were calc's at that yes, but that doesn't mean the actual punch or the cannon were that low.

While true, Boros wasn't hit with his full powered CSRC or the Serious Punch directly. The reduced shockwave that's used with the calc is what hit him

> CSRC was rebounded at greater speed than the initial speed

I don't think it was rebounded. The shockwave cancelled out the center and the remants of the CSRC were sent to the side.

Lastly the moon jump was only calced to be Contental.

Although like I mentioned above, there's no need to change anything but the 5B key since we're using the ONE statement.
 
Boros still took most of the hit, and the remnants were actually bounced odd of Boros's body. Moon jump was recalc'd at Multi-Continent level a bit more recently.
 
Wait when was the moon jump recalced? Also Boros still doesn't have any hard 5B durability feats.
 
5-B came from alternate translations; some translations say surface buster, some say planet buster. Both translations seem to be equally accepted making it difficult. Though One legit confirms 100% Serious Saitama as being a Planet buster at bare minimum. Unless you include the horribly translated Star busting assumption
 
5B comes from manga guidebook. In the webcomic and manga he specifies surface of the planet. Also to my knowledge ONE has never confirmed planetary Saitama in a interview but Murata has.


Also if the moon jump recalc was the one Kep did then it wasn't accepted.
 
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