OPM Garou Radiation Upgrade

[MrTayman616]

Except it claims Garou passively emits a level of radiation which was not accepted and isn't true, something that you added to it without having it accepted.

It's not accepted dude stop lying ffs this thread never mentioned Garou passively emitting that amount of radiation and when I SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT IT something completely different was said. That completely different thing is what's accepted.

So stop lying, what you put in the profile was never accepted.

But you literally did. You literally added something that was not accepted anywhere.
Yes the value was accepted but the application you added was never even really discussed, ntm accepted.

Which is why i'm here asking FinePoint. You claimed it was my intention to put something that wasn't accepted on purpose. Nothing like that happened.

The blog was accepted, so i put the values there. The blog was for "After his battle against Saitama".

 

[FinePoint]

But antiparticles that are created via pair production wouldn't exist for that long, no?

I added it to profiles as it happened "After his battle against Saitama", so it's kinda important rn

You can't add anything to the profiles which aren't accepted via a CRT.

A calculation blog being accepted just means it can then be included in said CRT.

 

[MrTayman616]

You can't add anything to the profiles which aren't accepted via a CRT.

A calculation blog being accepted just means it can then be included in said CRT.

I had just added this, result section of both. Sorry if it's not applicable like that.

Then can we confirm it here? Your decision on the second part of the calc. Garou creating antiparticles via radiation.

My opinion is that it's not combined of the entirety of the battle. As antiparticles wouldn't continue to exist that long.

I mean they can manipulate particles and antiparticles etc . But i don't think Garou was passively manipulating antiparticles in a way like that either.

Also Narrator's way of saying it also shows it to be happening while there, as it was talking about the technique of time travel.

 

[FinePoint]

I had just added this, result section of both. Sorry if it's not applicable like that.

Then can we confirm it here? Your decision on the second part of the calc. Garou creating antiparticles via radiation.

My opinion is that it's not combined of the entirety of the battle. As antiparticles wouldn't continue to exist that long.

I mean they can manipulate particles and antiparticles etc . But i don't think Garou was passively manipulating antiparticles in a way like that either.

Also Narrator's way of saying it also shows it to be happening while there, as it was talking about the technique of time travel.

Well I don't think the antiparticle section of the calculation was even accepted, and I agree with you that it's sort of illogical to apply that value anywhere.

The first value is fine to add, since I believe it was also accepted here.

 

[MrTayman616]

Well I don't think the antiparticle section of the calculation was even accepted, and I agree with you that it's sort of illogical to apply that value anywhere.

The first value is fine to add, since I believe it was also accepted here.

It is accepted, the first of the antiparticles value. (I might have misunderstood what you meant)

 

[FinePoint]

It is accepted, the first of the antiparticles value.

The first value: 15643.064 Gy, is accepted.

 

[MrTayman616]

The first value: 15643.064 Gy, is accepted.

Then i asked the value for the parallel timeline, which he said the first one. (I had two option for the parallel timeline version.)

 

[FinePoint]

Then i asked the value for the parallel timeline, which he said the first one.

Ah, I see. Well, I don't approve of the antiparticle method on principal.

 

[MrTayman616]

Ah, I see. Well, I don't approve of the antiparticle method on principal.

Why though? it was stated to be created by his radiation after all.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It was created by his radiation but not in a single moment or passively.
Since it's caused by radiation which Garou has been constantly emitting since he gained CFM he should have been creating anti particles for a loooooooong time.

Meaning the anti particle value is the total sum of all radiation he has ever emitted, not a value he passively emits (like you claimed in the profile)

 

[MrTayman616]

Since it's caused by radiation which Garou has been constantly emitting since he gained CFM he should have been creating anti particles for a loooooooong time.

Antiparticles wouldn't exist for that long as far as i know. Also Narrator's way of saying it also shows it to be happening while there, as it was talking about the technique of time travel.

Honestly don't think that it was the overall. Though if staff thinks differently, i wouldn't mind something like giving the fight a reasonable timeframe as well. Like saying the fight took an entire hour etc. then dividing the result to one hour (3600 second) or something like that.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Antiparticles wouldn't exist for that long as far as i know.

Antiparticles are stable and wouldn't decay on their own. They could only get annihilated if they come in direct contact with particles which would also annihilate the regular particle (so Garous would disappear if that were to happen) meaning they very much can survive for whatever long they need to.

Also Narrator's way of saying it also shows it to be happening while there, as it was talking about the technique of time travel.

The narrator simply states they were made by Garous intense radiation. Literally nothing implies he consciously made that in the moment or that he passively makes them constantly.

Honestly don't think that it was the overall.

Sadly it doesn't matter what you think but what you can prove. It's only said to be caused by Garou emitting radiation which he has been doing since the very start of the battle, you'd have to directly prove a shorter timeframe

Though if staff thinks differently, i wouldn't mind something like giving the fight a reasonable timeframe as well. Like saying the fight took an entire hour etc. then dividing the result to one hour (3600 second) or something like that.

That doesn't work either because Garou spams stronger attacks all the time.
His GRB alone created at least 8.36e10 grays and every single fission fist eminates at least additional 240 grays.

There's simply too many variables to accurately calculate it, and it would probably end up being an outlier anyway.

 

[MrTayman616]

Antiparticles are stable and wouldn't decay on their own. They could only get annihilated if they come in direct contact with particles which would also annihilate the regular particle (so Garous would disappear if that were to happen) meaning they very much can survive for whatever long they need to.

Yeah, if they are alone, in a vacuum etc. Not in a planet with an atmosphere, where matter is. Especially not in pair production and full of opposite charges around them.

Which they would get annihilated less than a second.

The narrator simply states they were made by Garous intense radiation. Literally nothing implies he consciously made that in the moment or that he passively makes them constantly.

Well, it was required for the technique so :d

Sadly it doesn't matter what you think but what you can prove. It's only said to be caused by Garou emitting radiation which he has been doing since the very start of the battle, you'd have to directly prove a shorter timeframe

I think based on what i know :d

His GRB alone created at least 8.36e10 grays and every single fission fist eminates at least additional 240 grays.

It's stated to be created by his cosmic rays specifically. None of them applies.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah, if they are alone, in a vacuum etc. Not in a planet with an atmosphere, where matter is. Especially not in pair production and full of opposite charges around them.

Which they would get annihilated less than a second.

That's a headcanon that assumes they come in contact with regular particles but also magically never come in contact with Garou.

Well, it was required for the technique so :d

My arms are required for the "punch" technique but that doesn't mean I magically grow new arms every time I go punch someone.

It's stated to be created by his cosmic rays specifically. None of them applies.

Cosmic rays that are produced by half of his attacks as far as we know and possibly many more.

But sure let's completely ignore that all and just divide it by 3600 seconds. Now his passive radiation at the very start was 9096802833.33 Gy and yet it didn't even kill a little average human child for a solid minute of exposure. Whoops suddenly it's a massive outlier contradicted by actual on screen feats and completely unusable. See how it doesn't work regardless of how you try to twist this? His current values are based on canonical on screen evidence and any higher values achieved via calcs would contradict that

 

[MrTayman616]

That's a headcanon that assumes they come in contact with regular particles but also magically never come in contact with Garou.

Garou antimatter resistance (which he has from this)

But that doesn't apply to everyday matter. Also "that assumes they come in contact with regular particles" is like what just normally happens. Why even assume it wouldn't came in contact with regular matter? They are on a planet where matter exists, radiation is emitted, particles are particles.

My arms are required for the "punch" technique but that doesn't mean I magically grow new arms every time I go punch someone.

Skill issue is all i see.

Also false equivalence. Garou doesn't just have them + it is stated to be created by his cosmic rays.

Cosmic rays that are produced by half of his attacks as far as we know and possibly many more.

By his cosmic rays. "Garou's intense cosmic rays" None of them applies, no reason to even think like that.

But sure let's completely ignore that all and just divide it by 3600 seconds. Now his passive radiation at the very start was 9096802833.33 Gy and yet it didn't even kill a little average human child for a solid minute of exposure. Whoops suddenly it's a massive outlier contradicted by actual on screen feats and completely unusable. See how it doesn't work regardless of how you try to twist this?

Bro i need that "Blast was stopping most of it" statement again.

Jk aside, His parallel timeline shows a much higher feat of radiation. Garou continuously evolves and they are different keys. so just apply it to the key that shows it.

Like if someone hurts someone with a hundred volt at his max by someone being around him, but then it happens as a gigavolt, i won't say it's an antifeat but that it changed.

His current values are based on canonical on screen evidence and any higher values achieved via calcs would contradict that

Radiation creating antimatter is a feat itself, no? Both are canonical on screen evidence.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Garou antimatter resistance (which he has from this)

Sure by that logic that just means the anti particles are safe from destruction in his body as they won't destroy each other.

Skill issue is all i see.

Also false equivalence. Garou doesn't just have them + it is stated to be created by his cosmic rays.

Why would his other sources of radiation not be considered cosmic radiation?

By his cosmic rays. "Garou's intense cosmic rays" None of them applies, no reason to even think like that

Yes cosmic rays emitted by his GRB, by his fission fists, and god knows what else.

Jk aside, His parallel timeline shows a much higher feat of radiation. Garou continuously evolves and they are different keys. so just apply it to the key that shows it.

He doesn't evolve, he grows stronger as a response to need.

Also Garou did come back to earth and his radiation still didn't magically vaporize everything around himself. Radiation even as low as millions of Gys would vaporize any living being instantly. The fact that Tareo (whether alive or dead) and Manako didn't get insta vaporized is a massive anti feat for this level.

Radiation creating antimatter is a feat itself, no? Both are canonical on screen evidence.

Yes except the value for the anti matter stuff is a fanmade calc. And if a calc contradicts what's shown on screen we can't use it.

Basically if you calculate an attack to be planet level but it doesn't even destroy a car it hits then we can't use the calc.

 

[MrTayman616]

Sure by that logic that just means the anti particles are safe from destruction in his body as they won't destroy each other.

But outside of his body, his face etc. is also made of particles. They do interact with matter as well.

Why would his other sources of radiation not be considered cosmic radiation?

This is especially stated to be "Garou's intense cosmic rays". It's obvious what it's talking about.

(Also nuclear fission wouldn't be, obviously. And Garou was inside the black hole while GRB was happening)

He doesn't evolve, he grows stronger as a response to need.

He does evolve, which is what it's called multiple times. evolved, self evolution etc etc.

Also Garou did come back to earth and his radiation still didn't magically vaporize everything around himself. Radiation even as low as millions of Gys would vaporize any living being instantly. The fact that Tareo (whether alive or dead) and Manako didn't get insta vaporized is a massive anti feat for this level.

This is true, Also his insides would have more radiation that anything he emits outside since even the little distances like that matters i guess.

Anti feat of not vaporizing anything there can't be argued as far as i remember. (Died to classic "But Earth handles it" problem)

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yeah.

"But it didn't destroy Earth though, so it's a bad calc" isn't always true, tbh.

Earth is most of the times more durable than it should for the sake of the plot, not receiving damage even when attacks should severely damage it. This applies to OPM too. Any of these attacks should have caused way more damage to the Earth than they did

 

[MrTayman616]

"But it didn't destroy Earth though, so it's a bad calc" isn't always true, tbh.

This is also true. (There was a gamma ray burst on the planet)

The feat of radiation creating antimatter is there, we're still in the game.

 

[DavidTPPM]

But outside of his body, his face etc. is also made of particles. They do interact with matter as well

The anti particles are inside of his body so idk what you're trying to say here.

This is especially stated to be "Garou's intense cosmic rays". It's obvious what it's talking about.

I'm asking you why would the radiation caused by his abilities not be considered "cosmic rays". Cosmic rays are literally just rays that travel through the universe, shit like fission and GRBs are very much within that group.

He does evolve, which is what it's called multiple times. evolved, self evolution etc etc.

His growth and "evolution" are 2 different things.
He can simply grow stronger as he does most of the time, and he can mutate/monsterize where his body changed shape entirely (such as growing wings). Both of these are as response to challenge so there's no logical way for him to grow in radiation output because it doesn't fulfill the same requirements.

Anti feat of not vaporizing anything there can't be argued as far as i remember. (Died to classic "But Earth handles it" problem)

What? It very much can wtf lmao.
You're claiming Garou has radiation far stronger than what's necessary to instantly vaporize any living matter. Even if he had 0.00001% of the calculated value he should instantly turn any living matter around himself into mush. And yet Manako can run several meters before even falling over, and Tareos body is very much fully intact.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah.

"But it didn't destroy Earth though, so it's a bad calc" isn't always true, tbh.

Earth is most of the times more durable than it should for the sake of the plot, not receiving damage even when attacks should severely damage it. This applies to OPM too. Any of these attacks should have caused way more damage to the Earth than they did

Idk where did even earth come to this discussion. I specifically talked about a human not getting even visibly harmed when it should be instantly vaporized, not the planet

 

[MrTayman616]

Oh, so i removed antimatter based radiation from the blog.

Though should Garou's radiation resistance scale to Saitama's resistance (GRB) as he copies him?

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