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Jack gets a surprising amount of wank for some reason. I once had to debate people on which was more likely to win a fight in general and people were saying Jack just because Herc threw their fight and gave away the win to Jack.
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So now his blood is 5-B? Because we know that the "building" are able ti affect him inly because jake have put some blood in them, i seriously think him as 5-B is weird, he like not even a fighter ...This is downplay. He dropped multiple volound buildings on Herc, which can damage Herc. This gives him 5-B, and he was able to survive attacks and hurt Herc, again a 5-B feat.
He uses Volunds, which can damage gods. He isn't 5-B without them.So now his blood is 5-B? Because we know that the "building" are able ti affect him inly because jake have put some blood in them, i seriously think him as 5-B is weird, he like not even a fighter ...
Shiva is 5-B, and Herc scales to or above Shiva.I don't even see why Heracles is 5-B lmao.
Only people who scale to 5-B are like 4 people and in my mind it should be possibly.
Literally why.Shiva is 5-B, and Herc scales to or above Shiva.
And Herc is stated to be comparable to Zeus in physical power. Base Shiva is also stated to be able to create and destroys worlds on a whim.Literally why.
Shiva is only 5-B in his super form that he:
1. Never used in battle before.
2. Is stated to be far stronger than his normal self (Vishnu comments on how Shiva's power is nothing like before)
He's not. That's like a Heimdall statement. Zeus in his weakest form casually blocks both Ares and Alcides' punches.And Herc is stated to be comparable to Zeus in physical power. Base Shiva is also stated to be able to create and destroys worlds on a whim.
And Ares and Alcide were casually punching. Zeus is stronger of course but comparable doesn't mean equal. Also creating and destroying worlds on a whim with base Shiva.He's not. That's like a Heimdall statement. Zeus in his weakest form casually blocks both Ares and Alcides' punches.
Heimdall statements are 100% invalid.
1. They weren't casual they were going all out meanwhile Zeus was at his weakest and he easily blocked both jokingly. How can you misremember events so badly?And Ares and Alcide were casually punching. Zeus is stronger of course but comparable doesn't mean equal. Also creating and destroying worlds on a whim with base Shiva.
You guys haven't provided any evidence for 5-B.Jack should, bare minimum, have 5-B durability for casually tanking direct hits from Heracles. I don't see why this is so disagreed upon when it's literally exactly what happens in the manga. He takes hits and shrugs them off, the only one that seemed to take real affect was the direct one he took from Heracles near the end of the fight, after him being stated to be weakened from blood loss.
Ares, who knows Zeus' strength, compares base Heracles to Zeus,You guys haven't provided any evidence for 5-B.
Comparable doesn't mean equal. If it's comparable, it at least downscales.1. They weren't casual they were going all out meanwhile Zeus was at his weakest and he easily blocked both jokingly. How can you misremember events so badly?
2. Base Shiva has no real feats on that level and we know from actual reliable narration that he can only supposedly do it in his final form.
Hercules if he was trying could easily one-shot Jack. He literally gave the win to Jack. Jack like I said doesn't have any physical strength, and gets his AP from his Volunds.I don't buy the assumption that Hercules > Shiva or Raiden because a straightforward reading of the text renders that absolutely ridiculous. Shiva tanked and overpowered Raiden who should be absolutely Godly in comparison to Jack (in terms of physical strength) and Hercules lost badly to Jack
But he was trying. He even went into his most powerful form at great risk to his life. And he still wasn't fast or strong enough to OHK Jack ... In fact, the metal spike that Jack fell onto seemed to have caused the most damage to himHercules if he was trying could easily one-shot Jack. He literally gave the win to Jack. Jack like I said doesn't have any physical strength, and gets his AP from his Volunds.
This was most likely done for comedic purposesZeus later punches Ares with his buff arm and Ares is totally unharmed
Zeus going buff is literally indicative of him using strength. That’s the whole point of the buff form. I’m not trying to “scale everyone to Zeus”, i’m scaling people’s raw physicals to Zeus when it makes sense for the characters to scale to Zeus.Zeus going buff isn't indicative of anything. He was not seriously attacking his own son. Ares isn't even in the Gods' list of fighters - which is highly unusual given your claims that he is comparable to Zeus ... but then you are basically trying to scale everyone to Zeus - which is nuts
“Zeus smacked Ares to encourage him” he through a giant right hook into the side of his face after making his arm buff. Do I need to show a scan for this? He literally sends him flying into a pillar. I don’t see why him using his buff arm, which is indicative of him using strength, in THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO isn’t apparently him using his strength. There’s no good reason for it other than “I don’t want the other gods to be this powerful”.PS : I reread the chapter in question. Zeus smacked Ares to encourage him and to fire him up because he was despairing after Herc lost an arm ... To actually use that "feat" for scaling, stripped of any and all context is beyond ridiculous
Zeus is also completely banged up when he "punched" Ares. It's a parental smack of encouragement, not an attack with any intention of causing hurt. Like I said, this is extremely taken out of context and has no business being considered seriously“Zeus smacked Ares to encourage him” he through a giant right hook into the side of his face after making his arm buff. Do I need to show a scan for this? He literally sends him flying into a pillar. I don’t see why him using his buff arm, which is indicative of him using strength, in THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO isn’t apparently him using his strength. There’s no good reason for it other than “I don’t want the other gods to be this powerful”.
With all due respect, this is a very bad idea.Maybe we should delete the RoR pages until we have more concrete feats to scale from? We do not seem to ever make real progress here.
Completely banged up? Him just having bandages on him doesn’t mean he can’t exhibit his strength, especially with the time he’s had to recover. It’s not just a “parental smack of encouragement”, he’s visibly upset about what happens to Heracles, gets upset, and punches Ares for crying in front of him. If there WASN’T any effort behind it, he WOULDN’T GO INTO HIS BUFF FORM.Zeus is also completely banged up when he "punched" Ares. It's a parental smack of encouragement, not an attack with any intention of causing hurt. Like I said, this is extremely taken out of context and has no business being considered seriously