Really small kirby CRT

[Eficiente]

There's a 99% this right here would get rejected as even Anti came here and said he agrees to disagree.

That percentage is made up and Ant got things misunderstood due to a number of factors.

Eficiente if you could, pls close this, Kirby has so many upgrades going for him that this just seems like a waste of everyone's time

I'll do it as you created the thread, but it's more unproductive to do that and I don't believe you are aware of all whys of it.

 

[Antvasima]

Eficiente, I would still appreciate a proper easy to understand explanation for why you think that the Kirby characters should be upgraded from Multi-Solar System level to Multi-Solar System level+.

If there are calculations as a basis, please show the numbers involved.

 

[Eficiente]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/really-small-kirby-crt.118003/#post-3845539

 

[Antvasima]

That is not an easy to understand explanation, or at least not a very good one regarding why the characters are over half as strong as Galaxy level.

 

[The_Pink_God]

That is not easy to understand the explanation, or at least not a very good one regarding why the characters are over half as strong as Galaxy level.

16 starry skies × several dozens to a few hundred if I understood correctly

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. Would that get us past the halfway point between the upper and lower boundaries of the 4-A part of our Attack Potency list?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay. Thank you. Would that get us past the halfway point between the upper and lower boundaries of the 4-A part of our Attack Potency page?

It would actually get us into 3-C lol

 

[The_Pink_God]

Apparently
It kinda confuses me

 

[DaReaperMan]

Apparently
It kinda confuses me

Same, but as long as it is accurate im fine with it

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if the math is correct, Galaxy level or "At least Multi-Solar System level+" is probably fine then.

 

[The_Pink_God]

That's 2 agreements (2 staff) and 3 disagreements then (2 common users and 1 staff)

 

[Antvasima]

Who is the staff member that disagreed?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Who is the staff member that disagreed?

DDM if I recall

 

[Antvasima]

@DarkDragonMedeus

Can you explain why you disagree with this please? I have been told that the math likely adds up to 3-C.

 

[Arceus0x]

If the rules allow that then i agree, if not then disagree. You can place me in the agree part for now as i am simply tryna agree with what's allowed

 

[The_Pink_God]

That's 3 agreements then

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

We still need @DarkDragonMedeus to comment here again.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

What are the multipliers used and the reason for each one being used to begin with? I thought it was agreed to avoid upscaling if it's just a giant list of A > B > C > D > _ > Z > _

 

[DaReaperMan]

What are the multipliers used and the reason for each one being used to begin with? I thought it was agreed to avoid upscaling if it's just a giant list of A > B > C > D > _ > Z > _

To simplify it, Void Termina is the culmination of all Jamba Hearts, which scale to 15x Starry Sky AP, it was said that there were dozens/hundreds of them so Void Termina should scale to all of them stacked together in a multiplier-like fashion is the argument.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, if the multiplier is stated to be that exact, then perhaps. But it be better to have it thoroughly explained on the profiles. And if it's too lengthy to explain, it may need to be put in blog post and linked.

 

[DaReaperMan]

its not an official multiplier DDM

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I mean, the initial feat from a Jamba Heart is 15x the Starry sky creation feat. And Void Termina is stated to be superior to the combined might of all Jamba Hearts? That latter sort of sound like a multiplier if the context holds up.

 

[DaReaperMan]

the Jamba hearts scale to the Master Crown(which I don't agree with anyway) which has the 15x Starry Sky feat

 

[The_Pink_God]

Is that an agreement?

 

[DaReaperMan]

it isn't on my end, but I'm outvoted so yeah

 

[The_Pink_God]

the Jamba hearts scale to the Master Crown(which I don't agree with anyway) which has the 15x Starry Sky feat

1 Jamba Heart*

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

If that's it, then I would only use the 15x multiplier, which honestly would still be 4-A with no "+" sign. Where did the hundreds to thousands of times proposal even come from then?

 

[DaReaperMan]

1 Jamba Heart*

If that's it, then I would only use the 15x multiplier, which honestly would still be 4-A with no "+" sign. Where did the hundreds to thousands of times proposal even come from then?

1 Jamba heart scales, sorry for being confusing

 

[The_Pink_God]

If that's it, then I would only use the 15x multiplier, which honestly would still be 4-A with no "+" sign. Where did the hundreds to thousands of times proposal even come from then?

Idk if you understood correctly but let me try to make this as understandable as possible

1 Jamba Heart scales to Magolor 16 Starry Skies feat
VT is made of the condensed power of Several Dozens to a few hundred Jamba Hearts
So it would basically be 16 Starry Skies × Several Dozens to a Few Hundred

And about the amount of Jamba Hearts, from the profile itself

On the amount of Jamba Heart pieces/Dark Hearts that make a complete Jamba Heart, while unknown, we do the following:

• The pieces of a complete Jamba Heart spread across space into many planets in the beginning of Kirby Star Allies.
• The spread pieces were described in a Famitsu magazine and the Kirby Star Allies Channel as "countless".
• On the ones that went into Planet Popstar, looking closely they're 6 that rained in front of Whispy Woods, 3 that rained near Meta Knight and 1 that crashed in Dedede's Castle. It might be that the 2 that went inside Whispy Woods and Meta Knight were different ones from the rest, but all the future Jamba Heart pieces seen after this could have been previously seen ones having advanced like Kirby & co. did.
• It's stated that the pieces rained across the universe or the galaxy, but this doesn't necessarily mean anything over how many of them they are.
• It's likely that the Jamba Heart pieces rained on the planets, moons and the star levels Kirby & co. travelled in their adventure given how they were always stated to chase the Dark Hearts and 1 of them sometimes showed up on the moons. The amount of pieces that rained on those celestial bodies (minus the star) isn't necessarily the same as in Planet Popstar as the latter is around 2 times larger than a regular planet, but this places alone are very likely not all the celestial bodies where the Jamba Heart pieces rained, only the ones Kirby & co. visited while following them into 1 direction.

Therefore, there might be several dozens or even hundreds of Jamba Heart pieces.

 

[DragonLord]

If that's it, then I would only use the 15x multiplier, which honestly would still be 4-A with no "+" sign. Where did the hundreds to thousands of times proposal even come from then?

Void Termina is made up of “countless” Jamba Hearts that “spread across the galaxy”, the actually number is unknown but you can see a lot during the intro

Basically, the argument is even 32 Jamba hearts which would be “several dozen” would be galaxy level

 

[DaReaperMan]

Void Termina is made up of “countless” Jamba Hearts that “spread across the galaxy”, the actually number is unknown but you can see a lot during the intro

I counted 15 Jamba heart trails.

240x Starry Sky AP.

 

[The_Pink_God]

I mean this CRT was supposed to just make them 4-A+ but now it kinda turned into a 3-C CRT
welp I'm not complaining

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean this CRT was supposed to just make them 4-A+ but now it kinda turned into a 3-C CRT
welp I'm not complaining

Eh, I'll throw them at 3-C DB people.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Eh, I'll throw them at 3-C DB people.

I have a vague feeling you don't like Kirby

 

[DaReaperMan]

I have a vague feeling you don't like Kirby

I enjoy Kirby but Matchups are better then what I enjoy!

 

[The_Pink_God]

Souka

 

[Arceus0x]

i counted 16-17