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Raiden vs Yujiro

Was Baki in such a massive disadvantage that he was gonna lose in many ways?

It could also be as Kureha said, great faith on Baki. Furthermore even if you don't know Person B's stance, if you know Person A very well, you can still predict whether they'd win or not.

I'll ask again though, are there any other cases of it happening? The pseudo precog on his profile confuses me
 
I get that. Reading the fight now. Gonna do a recheck

I repeat for the third time though. Was there any other literal case of Yujiro using prediction? Especially in his own fights?
 
Having read through... it doesn't really look like Baki is getting absolutely stomped. If anything they were still quite close. Not to mention Yujiro's wording sounded like he may have influenced on Baki or gave him a hint on how to beat him. If I'm being overly critical.

But even this alone wouldn't give you analytical prediction.

Heck in the same match - https://s2.********.org/data/c064832bb0baa49aa10eb46c75f0b1ad/x18.jpg C68 end

He looks confused on what the doctor is doing and doesn't show any signs of accurately seeing how a battle will go.
 
Even if that's said, Baki literally resists and says he's not doing any damage.

And really, we've seen in fighting and shonen mangas before where a rival or enemy goes to someone not taking the MC seriously "You're going to lose to him". The bonus of predicting in what way they'll lose is great for Yujiro, but this can't serve the backbone of

"I predict everything you do with a look at your stance and I am completely unstoppable"
 
Ehy, a question, why are we not considering the fact that all Raiden has to do is to land a single hit for the fight to be over, while he can take a ridiculous amount of damage without even being hurt? The most likely scenario is that Raiden goes for a slash, Yujiro tries to parry\block the attack and gets his limb cut off, I honestly don't think he's gonna know how Raiden's blade works
 
Not like that knowledge would give him anything. Jack blocks his strike with a sword and Yujiro gets his hand obliterated.
 
Twellas said:
Ehy, a question, why are we not considering the fact that all Raiden has to do is to land a single hit for the fight to be over, while he can take a ridiculous amount of damage without even being hurt? The most likely scenario is that Raiden goes for a slash, Yujiro tries to parry\block the attack and gets his limb cut off, I honestly don't think he's gonna know how Raiden's blade works
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Because Yujiro will use 0.5 to land the first strike or amp equal to or possibly above Raiden in speed, and likely far above him in strength. As far as avoiding the blade, with comparable speeds, Yujiro is vastly more skilled. If Yujiro has speed advantage, the blade won't touch him once
 
Thing is, Baki, (IM FINALLY FREE) where's the backing of pseudo precog/info analysis being enough for that? We have like one prediction feat and it seems more like a shonen trope that relies heavily on knowing the character he's predicting. Not to mention he already watched how he fought and such.
 
I may be wrong, but can he be in speed above a naturally faster character? I remember that even if it's a 2x amplifier of faster character against 5x amplifier of slower character, it's not really enough.
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
Thing is, Baki, (IM FINALLY FREE) where's the backing of pseudo precog/info analysis being enough for that? We have like one prediction feat and it seems more like a shonen trope that relies heavily on knowing the character he's predicting. Not to mention he already watched how he fought and such.
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I addressed this on the 0.5 page
 
SpookyShadow said:
I may be wrong, but can he be in speed above a naturally faster character? I remember that even if it's a 2x amplifier of faster character against 5x amplifier of slower character, it's not really enough.
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But if speed is equalized, isn't that kinda null? Or am I misunderstanding?
 
SpookyShadow said:
I've heard once that you can't blitz a faster character from Pen. But I don't remember where is that in rules.
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He might be referring to the rule where, in speed equalized, if speed amps result in a speed blitz for the slower character, the match can't be added (slower before SE of course)
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
Thing is, Baki, (IM FINALLY FREE) where's the backing of pseudo precog/info analysis being enough for that? We have like one prediction feat and it seems more like a shonen trope that relies heavily on knowing the character he's predicting. Not to mention he already watched how he fought and such.
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It made him sense danger in the punch of a century-old man that is 10-C. Nothing indicates it won't trigger in this scenario against something that is visibly dangerous.
 
Dude, that's common sense in shonen anime. Considering Yujiro's experience and how much he would know, it would make sense that he won't take an old man lightly. That's less prediction and just sensing how deadly an enemy can be.

Hell, everyone knows you don't take old men in anime not seriously. Who's the old man though?
 
KGiffoni said:
Information analysis and danger sense.
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Yeah, good luck predicting that a simple katana (Raiden't base HF blade looks more or less like a common Katana) is actually an hyper complex, super futuristic mechanism that works by vibrating at a frequency that disrupts the electron cloud of atoms thus allowing is cut through anything just by looking at it. At best he's gonna think it's just some very strong sword, which, knowing him, is just gonna be another reason for him to go and block it to flex on Raiden
 
Kaku Kaioh.

Before Kaku Kaioh showing offensive xiao-lee, Yujiro totally thought he had 10-C AP.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Twellas said:
Ehy, a question, why are we not considering the fact that all Raiden has to do is to land a single hit for the fight to be over, while he can take a ridiculous amount of damage without even being hurt? The most likely scenario is that Raiden goes for a slash, Yujiro tries to parry\block the attack and gets his limb cut off, I honestly don't think he's gonna know how Raiden's blade works
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Because Yujiro will use 0.5 to land the first strike or amp equal to or possibly above Raiden in speed, and likely far above him in strength. As far as avoiding the blade, with comparable speeds, Yujiro is vastly more skilled. If Yujiro has speed advantage, the blade won't touch him once
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? Since when is Yujiro faster? Last i checked Raiden could very well blitz him. And since when he's stronger? Have you seen their lifting strengths?
 
SpookyShadow said:
Not like that knowledge would give him anything. Jack blocks his strike with a sword and Yujiro gets his hand obliterated.
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Also this, all Raiden has to do is block with his sword and Yujiro can say goodbye to his limbs
 
Welp yeah he wouldn't go in direct contact with the blade thanks to 6th sense

Even if he did, Baki chars have extreme pain tolerance so he very probably can fight without an arm or a leg
 
>Before showing off

That sounds more like he thought the old man isn't a big deal, before realizing he ****** up. Also if he did dodge that attack after realizing it was more deadly than he thought... that's Danger Sense. Not precog. Han Jee-Han has a similar ability but he doesn't have precog because of it
 
KGiffoni said:
Welp yeah he wouldn't go in direct contact with the blade thanks to 6th sense
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Yeah, he wouldn't get into direct contact. Once he's even coming close to Jack he gets turned into Monsoon's dorito dip.
 
Yeah, i'm talking about denger sense, not precog. He has another feat for precog, but it's via analytical prediction.
 
SpookyShadow said:
KGiffoni said:
Welp yeah he wouldn't go in direct contact with the blade thanks to 6th sense
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Yeah, he wouldn't get into direct contact. Once he's even coming close to Jack he gets turned into Monsoon's dorito dip.
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How?
 
The fact that Yujiro wouldn't is irrelevant, Jack will do it for him, Yujiro punches Jack, Jack blocks with the blade. The best that can happen to Yujiro is that he retracts his attack, but that would basically create a situation where he can't attack, can't block and can only dodge. It's not so much about pain as much as an advantage, i don't think i need to explain how having 1 arm is worse than having 2 in a fight, and don't get me started on fighting with just 1 leg. Let's also not forget that Ripper mode doesn't just boost speed, it also boosts strength by about 7 times (this multiplier comes from in-game damage, it's extremely consistent but take it with a grain of salt)
 
To hit him he needs to get close. Once he's in HF Blade range Jack uses Blade Mode, time slows around him and later we all know what happens.
 
Oh gotcha on the precog thing.

But yeah either way I'm voting Raiden then, cause he needs time to actually analyze this guy and he's not exactly the usual enemy for Yujiro.

TLDR - Changing vote to Raiden
 
Twellas said:
The fact that Yujiro wouldn't is irrelevant, Jack will do it for him, Yujiro punches Jack, Jack blocks with the blade. The best that can happen to Yujiro is that he retracts his attack, but that would basically create a situation where he can't attack, can't block and can only dodge.
It's not so much about pain as much as an advantage, i don't think i need to explain how having 1 arm is worse than having 2 in a fight, and don't get me started on fighting with just 1 leg. Let's also not forget that Ripper mode doesn't just boost speed, it also boosts strength by about 7 times (this multiplier comes from in-game damage, it's extremely consistent but take it with a grain of salt)
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You do know Yujiro has mastered virtually all martial arts of his verse and thus isn't really these brute strength guys that just rush at you right?
 
I mean, Raiden isn't even human per se, he's a skull and spine attached to a robot body, he doesn't even have proper blood. Can Yujiro even analyze something like him in the first place?
 
His information analysis is above that of very advanced x-ray machines and extremely skilled surgeons, plus his vast knowledge on fields such as mechanics and robotics should make it work here just the same.
 
I'm afraid not mate. Because how the heck is he gonna predict a machine that isn't even close to his verse? The difference between a cyborg and a machine from Metal Gear to Baki is huge. Unless there's an equivalent of a cyborg level thing on Baki, I can't say confidence with that. Heck it'll likely just be very confusing for him to look at the machine aspects

Not to mention you can be all the skilled you want, but he hasn't actually dealt with a lot of swordmasters.

Well Musashi sounds like he counts but idk if he fought him.
 
And this is when his HF Blade was trash compared to Murasama. Here he has Murasama that can do the same thing but better.
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
I'm afraid not mate. Because how the heck is he gonna predict a machine that isn't even close to his verse? The difference between a cyborg and a machine from Metal Gear to Baki is huge. Unless there's an equivalent of a cyborg level thing on Baki, I can't say confidence with that. Heck it'll likely just be very confusing for him to look at the machine aspects
Not to mention you can be all the skilled you want, but he hasn't actually dealt with a lot of swordmasters.

Well Musashi sounds like he counts but idk if he fought him.
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Bakiverse can literally clone people from centuries ago, it's a fairly advanced verse in its own right.

Yeah, Yujiro did fight Musashi and he completly curbstomped him.
 
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