Raiden vs Yujiro

[KGiffoni]

Then there's Mach Punch, Cockroach Dash, endorphines, adrenaline, teeth amp, etc etc.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If he tries to Sangan Parry Raiden then he's gonna lose an arm.

 

[KGiffoni]

Why? You might even try to argue it's because Raiden uses a sword so it's different from parrying punches, but Yujiro easily outskilled Musashi, the world's greatest swordsman.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is still ignoring the fact that Raiden's amp is instantaneous and by the time Yujiro's activate he'll be dead.

 

[KGiffoni]

Then it's a blitz stomp for Raiden.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Apparently so.

 

[KGiffoni]

So this must be closed or Ripper Mode must be restricted.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

OK.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's Blade Mode that let's Raiden Blitz not Ripper Mode.

 

[KGiffoni]

Oh, true. Sorry, i confuse them sometimes.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ripper Mode does increase his Speed but not to the same extent as Blade Mode.

 

[KGiffoni]

Ripper Mode makes him faster than Blade Mode. It's in the profile.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's not right. He always moves faster in Blade Mode than in Ripper Mode.

 

[KGiffoni]

Check his profile.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Huh. Well he can still stack Blade Mode onto Ripper Mode.

 

[KGiffoni]

Then this is an absolute stomp.

Someone close this.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Some clarification: Sangan is allowed, it only ups reaction speed, Sangan is thought-based as well, so there goes that, and Yujiro has plenty of moves that give him the edge in speed and AP

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

AP isn't really that big a factor for Raiden. Can Yujiro amp his speed by 20x?

 

[KGiffoni]

If Raiden can amp his speed by 20x then either it's restricted or this is a stomp and must be closed.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

No, it's not. Like I said, the restriction only applies to the slower character.

 

[KGiffoni]

I've called someone who has more authority in the subject than me to opine.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I literally posted a screenshot of the rule. What more do you need?

 

[BakiHanma18]

I've just checked Sangan, and at most, just Sangan with no other amps is 10x

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, at most. Raiden's baseline speed with Blade Mode or Ripper Mode is bare minimum 10x. And you can stack them together to make it 20x.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Add on to that Adrenaline, Endorphins, Cockroach Tackle, Pseudo Precog, Info Analysis, Flying Swallow Barrage, Apnea Rush, Hand Pocket, Hitless Blow, Jab, Mach Punch, Maeba Stance, Peek-a-Boo, Quadruple Median Line Strike, Sway Back, Triceratops Fist, and Windmill Punch, and Yujiro can easily amp to 20x in total, at least matching Raiden

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

By the time all of those activate Raiden will have already blitzed him.

 

[BakiHanma18]

By the time all of those activate Raiden will have already blitzed him.

5 of those (including Sangan) are thought based, so no, that's not possible

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well both of Raiden's Amps are basically instantaneous.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Well both of Raiden's Amps are basically instantaneous.

According to Spooky, they are also thought based

 

[BakiHanma18]

I was so caught up on 0.5, I neglected to remember just how many thought-based amps Yujiro has and just how many of them are legitimately amazing amps. Changing my vote back to Yujiro

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How much do his other Amps multiply his speed by?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Look at it this way.

Raiden has to think twice, Yujiro has to think six times.

Raiden just thinks "I want Blade Mode and Ripper Mode". Yujiro has to think about all 6 of those different things before he can match him and by that time Raiden will already have hacked him up at full speed.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

^ Exactly.

 

[BakiHanma18]

How much do his other Amps multiply his speed by?

Unqualifiable, but as far as we know, Endorphins and Adrenaline are fodder compare to Sangan individually maybe something comparable together, but still much worse. Pseudo precog and Info analysis are some of the best reactionary abilities in the verse, so better than Sangan

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So at absolute best he has maybe a 10 or so times amp.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Either way, Raiden turns his on first and blitzes.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Look at it this way.
Raiden has to think twice, Yujiro has to think six times.

Raiden just thinks "I want Blade Mode and Ripper Mode". Yujiro has to think about all 6 of those different things before he can match him and by that time Raiden will already have hacked him up at full speed.

If he uses 0.5, he can activate pseudo precog and info analysis before Raiden amps to Jack, so if he just uses his best amps, it's one thought to one thought (Ripper and Blade to Sangan)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Just because he can use it doesn't mean it's going to be the first thing he does as you told me yourself.

 

[BakiHanma18]

So at absolute best he has maybe a 10 or so times amp.

No, if PP and IA are better than Sangan, with bare minimum amps to not get oneshot turn 1, at most Yujiro can amp his reaction speed over 30x

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

OK, and if he doesn't use his best amps first he dies.