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Raiden vs Yujiro

XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Just because he can use it doesn't mean it's going to be the first thing he does as you told me yourself.
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This is true, but even without, with pseudo precog or IA as his first move (instead of Sangan), Raiden would have a 5x speed advantage, not enough to blitz. So either 0.5 comes out and Raiden doesn't hit him, or he uses one of those 2 (of which he starts with almost always), and he doesn't get blitzed
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That's still a pretty good speed advantage to have though, with it almost being blitz worthy.
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It is definitely a good advantage, but if he doesn't hit that first move, the fight is over right there, with Yujiro potential amping to +30x reaction speed and a fairly decent set of amps to combat and movement speed
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
And Raiden can still Heal himself with his Items.
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I'm not sure how many healing items Jack has, but a battle of attrition against someone with reactions 30x faster isn't looking good
 
Their Stamina seems pretty even so they're not outlasting each other.

Raiden can still try to outrange him with his other weapons but that's a bad idea.

Raiden has an item for invisibility that he can use but hasn't in forever.

I'm also fairly certain he has some Instinctive Reaction but i could be wrong.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would he even be able to parry someone with that enormous LS advantage?
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To parry, he has several counter moves in which he literally just moves past the opponent's extended arm/leg and attacks from extremely close (though personally I think he would just counter attack in that situation instead of using a counter attack to parry)
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
If he tries some kind of stabbing move on Raiden, then he's gonna get pinned and then get stuck there.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I find it almost impossible to believe that Raiden is skilled enough to pin Yujiro
 
Yujiro is the 3rd most skilled on this wiki. The edge doesn't mean much when you consider skill is literally designed to counter raw strength
 
This all really more so depends on if Raiden's first slash kills him or not, which seems more like an incon kinda thing to me. Raiden can do it, but if it doesn't work then the other amps come out and then Raiden has a lot of problems.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
This all really more so depends on if Raiden's first slash kills him or not, which seems more like an incon kinda thing to me. Raiden can do it, but if it doesn't work then the other amps come out and then Raiden has a lot of problems.
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I'm thinking about switching back to incon for your reason, but I'll hold off until tomorrow just to see if new info is added
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Yujiro is the 3rd most skilled on this wiki. The edge doesn't mean much when you consider skill is literally designed to counter raw strength
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While I agree with this to an extent, i don't think skill is gonna allow you to somehow reverse a Lifting Strength based move when your own Lifting Strength is absolute fodder compared to the attacker's.
 
I'm thinking about switching back to incon for your reason, but I'll hold off until tomorrow just to see if new info is added

OK, if no one can add anything new to this, do you agree with an Incon?
 
Oh right no I meant more so that his skill would allow him not to get into situation where it ends up being strength v strength
 
Tie makes sense. It's a oneshot or oneshot.

And even speaking as a fan of both, Skill is ******* impossible and such a pain to compare time to time. Especially when you're comparing swordsmanship + guns + vs military, against martial arts focus alongside with the numerous pain of the ass variables you have to deal with.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Ripper Mode does increase his Speed but not to the same extent as Blade Mode.
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Ripper Mode amps blade mode by a notable amount. Its a amp on top of another amp.

As for the rule, Raiden's speed amps either should be limited or it quickly becomes a blitz stomp situation in his favor and stomps aren't allowed on profile.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Ripper Mode does increase his Speed but not to the same extent as Blade Mode.
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Ripper Mode amps blade mode by a notable amount. Its a amp on top of another amp.

As for the rule, Raiden's speed amps either should be limited or it quickly becomes a blitz stomp situation in his favor and stomps aren't allowed on profile.
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If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), as long as the speed amp is amping the character that was originally faster before equalization, speed blitz is allowed
 
I can see how it could be read that way, but such a solid speed advantage would push this in stomp territory wouldn't it?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I can see how it could be read that way, but such a solid speed advantage would push this in stomp territory wouldn't it?
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Worse case scenario, two of Yujiro's best amps are vastly better than 2.5x, so that would definitely be stomp territory, however, best case scenario they are vastly above 10x, which, of course, wouldn't be conducive to a stomp
 
Hey Bak? Got some fights for me to check on Yujiro? Cause I just realized how imperfect his prediction is and how repeatedly prediction fails him on his fight with Baki. Or at least he doesn't display that power.

I just checked out the video linked on his power and... I doubt that's enough to quality as predicting really. It sounds more like he's praising and aware how strong Baki was against that Kureha fellow. I was legit expecting "Predicting every move" a la Garou from OPM when he fought Saitama or such
 
Not really, he already knew the result of the fight because of Kureha's and Baki's stance. Mainly because of the karate one hit kill, a thing that Baki has never used before, but Yujiro knew that he would do it because of the stance, and how effective would be against Kureha's fighting style (something that he has never seen either)
 
That sounds more like common sense and clear knowledge about martial arts rather than seemingly predicting every exact bit of the move. People have done this in other franchises or heck even Doppo in the beginning of this one (Or at least if I'm reading the right series) did the same thing without being clear how he finishes Baki off.

Is there any other literal case of that? Because predicting is very vital for Yujiro standing a chance and winning here.
 
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