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I can guarantee this will be considered an outlierTwellas said:I also have a video of Armstrong parrying Raiden's RM BM attack, don't know how to share it here tho, since it's not on youtube
I listed all the changes here, including what I think could be done with the WODs if we don't want to put them at 7-CTwellas said:The proposed changes are the following:
Raiden: upgraded to 7-C (superior to Mistral, who is capable of harming him) higher after obtaining the Murasama (defeated Armstrong and is shown to be capable of overpowering him with his bare hands)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic (capable of fighting evenly with Armstrong, outspeeding in some cases, we should also link his RMBM calc)
Armstrong's speed should be plain Sub-Rel, he can block and counter hits from RM BM Raiden, the term "reaction" only includes "a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles", but in Armstrong's case he grabs the sword and hits Raiden back, so it's not classifiable as "a single movement" and is thus considerable combat speed. I honestly don't know how to scale the WOD's speed outside of Sam, who definitely scales to this, maybe a "Massively Hypersonic+, likely Sub-Rel" ? I suppose Monsoon's passive-dodge-thingy scales to Sub-Rel because it can avoid RMBM slashes, but other than that I'm not sure.
The WOD's tier should be Low 7-C (should be superior to the EXCELSUS) likely 7-C (Mistral was capable of harming Raiden, they fought Armstrong to become WODs), Monsoon gets a 7-C rating (comparable to a bloodlusted Ripper Mode Raiden). The deal here is that Boss fights in MGR are never canonically Landslide victories, there's always a degree of difficulty for Raiden, which makes the WODs comparable, although weaker, to Raiden.
We still have to disuss the addition of Accelerated Development for Raiden, even if he got a boost from "merging" with his Ripper persona that would still classify as Accelerated Development
Armstrong is way above the 20KT explosion (he no-sold it), it's far more likely that Armstrong is simply way higher into 7-CTISSG7Redgrave said:i mean raiden did survive a beating from armstrong when he really wanted him dead and I guess base raiden at the end of game can be likely 7-C due to at least damaging armstrong in some way shape or form but not by a very notable amount until after getting punched through a metal gear lolz
And his 7-C rating in AP comes from the fact that he's stronger than Mistral, who was shown in scripted events to be able to send him flying with a blunt hit. The reason he couldn't hurt Armstrong before his boost is that Armstrong is simply way higher into 7-C than merely 20KTTISSG7Redgrave said:i mean raiden did survive a beating from armstrong when he really wanted him dead and I guess base raiden at the end of game can be likely 7-C due to at least damaging armstrong in some way shape or form but not by a very notable amount until after getting punched through a metal gear lolz
already did and addressed all questionsTwellas said:The proposed changes are the following:
Raiden: upgraded to 7-C (superior to Mistral, who is capable of harming him) higher after obtaining the Murasama (defeated Armstrong and is shown to be capable of overpowering him with his bare hands)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic (capable of fighting evenly with Armstrong, outspeeding in some cases, we should also link his RMBM calc)
Armstrong's speed should be plain Sub-Rel, he can block and counter hits from RM BM Raiden, the term "reaction" only includes "a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles", but in Armstrong's case he grabs the sword and hits Raiden back, so it's not classifiable as "a single movement" and is thus considerable combat speed. I honestly don't know how to scale the WOD's speed outside of Sam, who definitely scales to this, maybe a "Massively Hypersonic+, likely Sub-Rel" ? I suppose Monsoon's passive-dodge-thingy scales to Sub-Rel because it can avoid RMBM slashes, but other than that I'm not sure.
The WOD's tier should be Low 7-C (should be superior to the EXCELSUS) likely 7-C (Mistral was capable of harming Raiden, they fought Armstrong to become WODs), Monsoon gets a 7-C rating (comparable to a bloodlusted Ripper Mode Raiden). The deal here is that Boss fights in MGR are never canonically Landslide victories, there's always a degree of difficulty for Raiden, which makes the WODs comparable, although weaker, to Raiden.
We still have to disuss the addition of Accelerated Development for Raiden, even if he got a boost from "merging" with his Ripper persona that would still classify as Accelerated Development