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Probably gonna be soon, we’ve already decided on incon overall, we just need to determine who is doing more in this fight, which venefica says is probably Asuna (She’s the only one who can feasibly land any hits at all and can dodge basically everything spag can yeet at her)200 replies and still waiting for a conclusion
Sure, but I will be final judgeIf froggy says anything that I find inaccurate, may I point it out?
I don't have much other than to repeat myself. I do not want to be negative or anything, but it seems to me that Rayfire is still not taking into account things I repeated more than 4x times (the best example of this is the nerfed Gunnix arm Spagm can generate upon reaching level 4, about which 1/6 of this threat was about,Depending on any final argument made by Froggy, Asuna is poised to advance after triple reviews of the last page of arguments. Due to how close this is, I want Froggy to have this last chance to try and change my mind. In the meantime though, I think I'll begin the next match
yet by this reply it still seems like Rayfire didn't read any of it).Considering that mimicking gunnix takes up a bunch of EXP every second, and can only go for up to 20 seconds max cause provisional evolution limitations, that’s not gonna be feasible.
(We’re going back and forth again, lol, I think we should let venefica decide here)
I suppose there will be corrections, I apologize beforehand if I understood anything badlyIf froggy says anything that I find inaccurate, may I point it out?
Rayfire do you care for one more response here?I don't have much other than to repeat myself. I do not want to be negative or anything, but it seems to me that Rayfire is still not taking into account things I repeated more than 4x times
yet by this reply it still seems like Rayfire didn't read any of it).
Workin on itRayfire do you care for one more response here?
What howChris Chan vibes
Don't search it up vene I'm serious this time.What how
Shut-Chris Chan vibes
I know already lolDon't search it up vene I'm serious this time.
Ok lolI know already lol
Well, that’s the thing, both are, at their base, moving a microsecond level speeds. And Asuna’s Genius combat IQ, while not as good as Spagmatrons, is still useful here and nothing that spag should underestimate. About the processing speed thing, once Asuna see’s spagmatrons beginning to use his red circle danmaku, just like she did against Kedron, she’ll use thunder magic speed amps the moment she see’s this happening, which, thus, in her eyes, will make everything seem like it’s slow motion. This is why I bring up speed so much, because it gives Asuna plenty of time to dodge and calculate everything, all before spag can react.Another thing slightly upsetting me is that Asuna’s arguments behave as if Asuna possesses Extraordinary genius combat IQ and Genius IQ, although she has above average intelligence and genius combat IQ, and came from rlf being a human before. Spagm, on the other hand, is beside his evolution into a true soul being, a professional capturing war machine becoming expert in his attacks for over a thousand of years (given how close he is to level 4), bearing a mind surpassing a hall of Supercomputers. Yet it's still argued how Asuna dodges everything, and how she can with above average intelligence calculate in microseconds the precise location where her Rift-Way comes out (so it avoids getting within 2 meters to Red Circles orbiting in that direction)
I feel like this has been substantiated many times, but Asuna has done this EXACT thing before (Vol 1 Chapter 3) And with zero issues. She dodged, what is ironically described as “tens of thousands” of pieces of debris without much trouble. This won’t be anything new to her.while being forced to dodge tens of thousands of projectiles that could kill her anytime. During all of this, she has to continuously use healing on her skin layers and certain cells (like bone marrow cells) with cellular precision (both continuously getting torn by Red Laser heat and emitted radiation each millisecond), as she has danmaku of tens of thousands Red Laser projectiles around her.
That’s true, but the only thing he can really use without Asuna’s danger sense detecting it is the red circles, which, even if she got encased in, could easily escape as already said at the beginning of this thread before Spagmatron can get any substantial amount of EXP, and then it would just mean Asuna know’s how his power works.As well Spagm’s advantage at the fight start, which I feel is somewhat being overlooked. It's a time, when he can show his true power against un-crazy-amped Asuna without complicated attacks developed against him, being in a 10-second Replay cooldown and possibly in a 30-second luck cooldown (given she uses the luck already on something, Spagm would notice and use other methods).
Asuna, as I’ve already said earlier, will sense the digi-shield, since spagmatrons intention is to use it to land a hit on her, which danger sense will notify her of.Yet it is always argued Asuna doesn't have problems with it, even when Danger Sense doesn't detect Laser Circles, and Spagm can throw a tracking Digi-Shield on top of all this, making the attack around her guaranteed to land. During all of this, Asuna with an above average intelligence being a human in rlf not a long ago is argued to mostly without problems use Riftway to teleport into a secure spot in this nightmarish pattern-changing danmaku.
Okay, but, like… Asuna can use playback the second she see’s that as well, and as I’ve mentioned earlier, she’ll likely speed amp right off the bat too, which will put them on equal footing. Asuna is also used to faster opponents (Kedron) in case you are thinking that spag’s amps, whatever they are, are an auto-win here. Even if they are, Asuna using time magic consistently will adapt, meaning she will still be faster.And it doesn't end here, Spagm can boost his thinking speed to deal with the amps at least in the start and mid of the fight (also being underestimated), all 3 sections of strength comparing indicate he has a clear advantage at the start, and then can match Asuna later at least equally. That's why, for the fourth time, propose Spagm is ‚doing better here.
I feel u broI really hope this is the last reply, as the endless circles being made here are insane, the match needs to be forcefully decided to prevent both mine and Rafires’s sanity xD
EnormouslyHoly smokes this is a long ahh thread
I once again see several flaws in this (and no word about Gunnix arm again, for a fifth time), but replying would cause another wave, so I will stay silent and observe like a true Spagmatron let's leave the mighty Sake with a blood star behind him cease this tornado of replies once and for all, with a definitive response about who should advanceWell, that’s the thing, both are, at their base, moving a microsecond...
I believe that Asuna has more options to be landing hits/dodging attacks. Although Spagamtron has his reasons as well, it was indeed decided for incon. I could make a super long message in depth about the very small differences which are making me go this way, but I don't have time plus that's a ton of work to do. In short, Rafire's arguments stand out to me a bit more. Therefore, by some of the slimmest margins I've seen, I'm going to advance Asuna effective immediatly.
I kinda expected this lol. Although I still don't agree with 100% of the arguments made for Asuna, I acknowledge she is a strong force, able to clash with a Charged State level 3 FU Android for a whole six threat pages, and still keep throwing new arguments. So yeah, congrats to Asuna on advancing, a good match! GG InconEpicness
Great job to my frog boi, he made a noteworthy debate
If Maka never made it in and lucario was used She'll be fighting axlvenI kinda expected this lol. Although I still don't agree with 100% of the arguments made for Asuna, I acknowledge she is a strong force, able to clash with a Charged State level 3 FU Android for a whole six threat pages, and still keep throwing new arguments. So yeah, congrats to Asuna on advancing, a good match! GG Incon
Seriously I wonder whenever there is an even stronger opponent to face her in this tourney left, given that storiverse duo withdrawn
Don’t fret, Asuna wouldn’t kill something cute or innocent, even if it would give her a ton of XP. She ain’t evilIf Maka never made it in and lucario was used She'll be fighting axlven
Asuna and Axlven tag team when?Don’t fret, Asuna wouldn’t kill something cute or innocent, even if it would give her a ton of XP. She ain’t evil
Who knowsAsuna and Axlven tag team when?
Yeah, I mentioned it all while submitting, high EXP meter is self-explanatory at evolving in the end game if EXP sources are presentI’ll be honest I never, ever thought to even consider that an FU android might just evolve mid fight and that sort of complicated things. Spagmatron’s whole thing was weird tbh, I thought I was letting him in at 7-A but then in the first match froggy said he was High 7-A with high exp bar, I’m not sure if I just wasn’t paying attention when he was submitted, but he did a bunch of stuff I would’ve at least asked about before letting him in and that’s part of why this match got a bit complicated lol
Agree, the full defensive of FU Android line was finally put to a testAt the very least this did indeed prove to be an excellent battle
Oh, mb lolThanks for adding the results. I still wanna point out that the result on Asuna's profile is quite inaccurate, namely the phrase "Spagmatron had access to all of his abilities and Full EXP Meter”. The EXP Meter wasn't full, it was close to being full (full one straight evolves). Spagamtron was blocked from using ‚Laser circle investitions’ and Gunnix transformation (with which he would likely won, were it the full one). Both of these can be with an eye blind marked as „possible“, not making it the forbidden character restriction. Yet I feel these are still important factors worth mentioning in both results, furthermore, if it says "Spagm had access to all", which he really didn't.
Maybe replacing it with simple "both were restricted from entering 6 tier with amps or techniques" would be better, as it itself explains all.Oh, mb lol
Asuna can’t enter tier 6 with any amps (At least, not yet) but I’ll change it accordingly anywaysMaybe replacing it with simple "both were restricted from entering 6 tier with amps or techniques" would be better, as it itself explains all.
Didn't you say her EXP system allowed her to grow in stats while inputting her? As well her power creation could develop power-storing ability with time, landing a 6-tier impact eventually.Asuna can’t enter tier 6 with any amps (At least, not yet) but I’ll change it accordingly anyways