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Question about tiering of these characters

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Prayala is infinite-dimensional, Mother Night and Oblivion are beryond the concept of dimensions
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Prayala is infinite-dimensional, Mother Night and Oblivion are beryond the concept of dimensions
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She predates the creator and is the void outside creation. She has consumed it over and over coutnless times in a cycle like oblivion. Thats seems to be the same reason oblivion is 1a
 
Oblivion resides in his own dimension outside the multiverse where the totality of higher dimensional structures were just stories to him whilst Prayla was defeated by Swamp Thing amped by the world tree which is strictly an infinite dimensional object.

I disagree due to this.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
Oblivion resides in his own dimension outside the multiverse where the totality of higher dimensional structures were just stories to him whilst Prayla was defeated by Swamp Thing amped by the world tree which is strictly an infinite dimensional object.
I disagree due to this.
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Pralaya exists in her own realm aswell outside creation. She comes from the beyond beyond everything returns to her even god in the end. X. In story she comes before its time due to the JLD team opening reality to her. She wasnt defeated per say but pushed back there until she can claim the multiverse when it ends again, because the god tree simply "regrew" the erased verse using the link swamp thing had with the tree. Similair to how oblivion has to wait till its time to claim creation. X
 
I am uncertain either way. Maybe the Swamp Thing defeating her was simply a massive case of plot-induced stupidity? I will ask Matthew for input.
 
Pralaya and Mother Night are probably the same thing as the Chaos King and Oblivion. The former is the void that was the Multiverse, while the later is the void beyond the Multiverse.
 
Maybe "At least High 1-B. Possibly 1-A"?
 
Antvasima. If I recall correctly, Pralaya states that she is only an Avatar of the full entity, so we could add High 1-B for her Manifestation and 1-A for her full self.

@Seed

No, Fenris was one-shot by a severely weakened and wounded Lucifer. And he needed prep-time to destroy the World Tree.

He's very strong, though. He smashed through Yahweh's throne despite it being infinite, and the armies of Heaven have no chance against him.
 
I see... 1-A Pralaya is a thing now. Interesting..

I see. Wouldn't he still be in the High 1-B / 1-A tier though ? And another random question : is there any characters who are canonically superior to Michael & Lucifer that aren't on the site ( like possibly Synar the Demiurge ) yet ?
 
The throne room was actually called the womb of creation. Fenris managed to overcome its attempt to destroy him in a negative feedback.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Antvasima. If I recall correctly, Pralaya states that she is only an Avatar of the full entity, so we could add High 1-B for her Manifestation and 1-A for her full self.
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I suppose that seems like a reasonable solution.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
The throne room was actually called the womb of creation. Fenris managed to overcome its attempt to destroy him in a negative feedback.
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Pics.

If this is true, then Fenris is High 1-B for smashing it.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Possibly the Presence ?
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We already have that. In the most recent comic though it was implied his friends would share the same station as "God" though. We don't actually know what happened though.

The Endless are canonically weaker.

DC Womb of Creation
Matthew Schroeder said:
There's no character above Michael other than the Gods.
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Technically end of series Lucifer is probably stronger.
 
That reminds me: Can anybody tell me... Who in Presence's name ( haha... ) is that doll in the first place ? She was always with the Presence before Elaine took the spot., serving as an right-hand of God of sorts & his comparable equal ( somewhat )
 
I don't understand your question. Do you mean the doll the child carries? The doll is just a gift from Noema's mother that Noema amimated to deliver a message to the Presence in the hopes that Lucifer doesn't kill her.

Which he doesn't because the devil has a soft spot for children (awwww).


The two are not comparable in any possible way.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Antvasima. If I recall correctly, Pralaya states that she is only an Avatar of the full entity, so we could add High 1-B for her Manifestation and 1-A for her full self.
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Yeah thats true she was saying the female form they were perciving was just a thought projection of the real thing. She's seeming like the same thing as mother night
 
So, is Matthew or The Mighty Regulator willing to adjust the Pralaya page?
 
Thank you for the help.
 
So, should I close this thread?
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
To be certain : Swamp thing wouldn't scale due to the fact he defeated an M-Body Pralaya.
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Nah because it was swamp thing triggering the world trees power rather than his own ability.

edit* The world trees was just able to regrow the verse with help. So I think it should be considered a seperate entity. Defeat in a unconvential sense that it had the power to remake what she erased rather than bring it back. If that makes sense
 
Yep.

@Antvasima Matthew wanted to look at the scans of Fenris. This is a bit odd as we don't have a profile for him. Maybe he wants to use the feat to scale to weakened Lucifer?

@Zensum Swamp thing using the World Tree is recorded as a Key here.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Would Shade scale to the GEB due to using him as an power source ?
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Iol I think several characters use him as a powersource like obsidian, Shadow thief, culp..etc. Thier showings are never on that scale tho

@TheMightyRegulator oic just checked
 
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