Puella Magi Verse: Revival Discussion Thread

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Itzli is MFTL+ and in the Madoka PSP game, the girls can fight her since she's the last boss of the game. Although i'm unsure about this logic since here we take Itzli's feat as flight speed...

I'm not sure we can uses it unless Itzli flew around when fighting them.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

sorry this bothers me a little... if we could include achievements in magi reco. why don't we include some achievements in magirepo? Isn't it true that at the end, Madoka and Iroha combine the two timeline ( magia record & magia report )

Magia Record will have their own scaling. It's just not the time right now to talk about them since me and Strym are focusing on the main series first.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That doesn't seem a big of a jump. Shouldn't that be enough? There is also a crossover character from Monogatari series who has SoL speed as well. But I don't know how we treats crossover character in scaling.

That should be yes. Otherwise a single MFTL feat while all the others are MHS at best is a glaring outlier lol.

Itzli is MFTL+ and in the Madoka PSP game, the girls can fight her since she's the last boss of the game. Although i'm unsure about this logic since here we take Itzli's feat as flight speed...

There's no evidence that Itzli can react to stuff mid flight, so nah.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm not sure we can uses it unless Itzli flew around when fighting them.

It's stuck on the ground all the time lol.

 

[Arzzz]

Magia Record will have their own scaling. It's just not the time right now to talk about them since me and Strym are focusing on the main series first.

It's a shame..because I'm playing the game magia record..I thought I could help ((

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

It's a shame..because I'm playing the game..I thought I could help ((

You could still help by listing some of the more relevant feats here. It would save us a lot of times to have another user knowledgeable enough about Magia Record.

Speaking of Magia Record, do you happen to know if someone has already Translated Devil Homura personal story? There might be some relevant lore about the Magia Record timeline in general.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tbh, after the speed stuff we should focus on the hax as those are outrageous.

Though we can steal from CSAP/Codex for scans if we're lazy hehehehe

 

[Shadowbeast]

Speaking of Magia Record, isn't this a 4-A feat from Mayu?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Speaking of Magia Record, isn't this a 4-A feat from Mayu?

Isn't this just a flashy animation effect lol?

 

[Shadowbeast]

Isn't this just a flashy animation effect lol?

Idk, she appears to create a pocket dimension with a starry sky with her paintbrush and attack her enemies from that dimension, those are regular things from gacha games iirc Fate/Grand Order does stuff like that too with servants noble phantasms. I tried to see her story in Magia Record to see it if says more about this power but it doesn't :/ do you know more about Mayu Kozue's powers @Beast_Zero_Gudako?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Idk, she appears to create a pocket dimension with a starry sky with her paintbrush and attack her enemies from that dimension, those are regular things from gacha games iirc Fate/Grand Order does stuff like that too with servants noble phantasms. I tried to see her story in Magia Record to see it if says more about this power but it doesn't :/ do you know more about Mayu Kozue's powers @Beast_Zero_Gudako?

Other than the fact that it'd be a massive outlier if it's real.

 

[Kwk258]

I personally think it was painted with her paint.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Idk, she appears to create a pocket dimension with a starry sky with her paintbrush and attack her enemies from that dimension, those are regular things from gacha games iirc Fate/Grand Order does stuff like that too with servants noble phantasms. I tried to see her story in Magia Record to see it if says more about this power but it doesn't :/ do you know more about Mayu Kozue's powers @Beast_Zero_Gudako?

Nothing in the lore description says she created a starry pocket dimension with her Magia attack. Even if it did, it would be massive outlier. You mentioned FGO, but even they didn't have this luxury. Most of their Reality marble are simply a pocket dimension with a very few exceptions due to lore reason.

 

[Shadowbeast]

Nothing in the lore description says she created a starry pocket dimension with her Magia attack. Even if it did, it would be massive outlier. You mentioned FGO, but even they didn't have this luxury. Most of their Reality marble are simply a pocket dimension with a very few exceptions due to lore reason.

Yet nothing also implies that she did not created it but yeah it would be a outlier for regular magical girls since most of the girls would be 4-A due to scaling. There's also another feat involving a starry sky in Magia Record, Iroha got sealed inside small Kyubey and inside him there seems to be a pocket dimension with a city and a starry sky.

 

[Kwk258]

Yet nothing also implies that she did not created it but yeah it would be a outlier for regular magical girls since all the girls would be 4-A. There's also another feat involving a starry sky in Magia Record, Iroha got sealed inside small Kyubey and inside him there seems to be a pocket dimension with a city and a starry sky.

It is not wrong that magical girls have transcended the universe, and some witches have also created infinite space. However, this should be further discussed.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Yet nothing also implies that she did not created it but yeah it would be a outlier for regular magical girls since most of the girls would be 4-A due to scaling. There's also another feat involving a starry sky in Magia Record, Iroha got sealed inside small Kyubey and inside him there seems to be a pocket dimension with a city and a starry sky.

You kinda needs to prove it that those starry sky are real and not just some painted decorations. Read here for more details:

Creation Feats

Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

It is not wrong that magical girls have transcended the universe, and some witches have also created infinite space. However, this should be further discussed.

Those magical girls have some very special circumstances that allows them to do that though, some of them do even have humongous Karmic Value like Madoka and Tart, or straight up being an irregular like Kosane.

Mayu, as far as I remember, is just a regular magical girl you can finds anywhere. She neither has big Karmic Value nor does she ever has encounter some special circumstances nor does she an irregular magical girl.

 

[Shadowbeast]

You kinda needs to prove it that those starry sky are real and not just some painted decorations. Read here for more details:

Ik that, i will check more stuff in Magia Record to see if i can find somenthing. But something to consider is that i remember that a staff once discussed that in cases like that, one should have evidence disproving that the stars are fake to actually disprove it. If small Kyubey really created this pocket dimension then it's a 4-A creation feat. In Naruto Storm there is no information proving exactly that the starry sky in Kaguya's dimension are indeed real stars but we still accepted her dimension as 4-A.

 

[Unqver]

It doesn't look as obvious as Yachiyo, does it?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I remember trying to make UKG from Unknown to High 3-A/Low 2-C based on her being made of the despair of infinite magical girls and having enough power to destroy a universe in contrast to the same amount of hope being capable of generating one, but @SomebodyData said this...

Genuinely find this iffy, as it applies to only her grief seed than her full power state.

 

[Unqver]

There are actually many examples like this, such as

 

[Unqver]

A lucky day starts here.

 

[Shadowbeast]

I remember trying to make UKG from Unknown to High 3-A/Low 2-C based on her being made of the despair of infinite magical girls and having enough power to destroy a universe in contrast to the same amount of hope being capable of generating one, but @SomebodyData said this...

Disagree with him and even if we went from his point of view of UKG, she would still be High 3-A/Low 2-C overtime since it seems that his argument for rejecting this is that she doesn't get this power instantly but the wiki accept and give tiers to characters who reach their peak of their power overtime. I can find profiles like that since i remember seeing justifications like that in AP.

Edit: Here's one example

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Disagree with him and even if we went from his point of view of UKG, she would still be High 3-A/Low 2-C overtime since it seems that his argument for rejecting this is that she doesn't get this power instantly but the wiki accept and give tiers to characters who reach their peak of their power overtime. I can find profiles like that since i remember seeing justifications like that in AP.

Edit: Here's one example

UKG 2-A rating is her "overtime" rating though. UKG is rated unknown because she scales to Final Timeline Madoka for being her direct witch "counterpart". We don't know exactly how powerful Final Timeline Madoka is since we have only seen her for like a couple of minutes before she ascended into being a concept.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Also, don't you think we should make a new revision thread for the current one that's going on? It has become too long that I doubt Admin would even want to skim through the thread.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also, don't you think we should make a new revision thread for the current one that's going on? It has become too long that I doubt Admin would even want to skim through the thread.

Yes.

UKG 2-A rating is her "overtime" rating though. UKG is rated unknown because she scales to Final Timeline Madoka for being her direct witch "counterpart". We don't know exactly how powerful Final Timeline Madoka is since we have only seen her for like a couple of minutes before she ascended into being a concept.

Basically this. Plus we don't even have keys for Madoka from 1st to 4th timeline lmao.

 

[Unqver]

Also, don't you think we should make a new revision thread for the current one that's going on? It has become too long that I doubt Admin would even want to skim through the thread.

So who is qualified for this task?

 

[Unqver]

Yes.

Basically this. Plus we don't even have keys for Madoka from 1st to 4th timeline lmao.

Except for the fourth and first timelines, I think creating new keys for the second and third timelines is still unnecessary, because the actual strength of the third timeline cannot be seen at all, Homura Second timeline Madoka Mami=Kill Walpurisnacht, third timeline Madoka Homura=Just repelling Walpurisnacht

 

[StrymULTRA]

Except for the fourth and first timelines, I think creating new keys for the second and third timelines is still unnecessary, because the actual strength of the third timeline cannot be seen at all, Homura Second timeline Madoka Mami=Kill Walpurisnacht, third timeline Madoka Homura=Just repelling Walpurisnacht

Spamming keys for Madoka is 100% a bad idea. I get that some characters have even 6 keys or more, but these have notable differences to each other, Madoka between timelines only gets stronger in power and that's it.

1st/2nd timeline is still potrayed as around Mami level, so her beating WPN issa outlier in these.

3rd timeline it's only a bit stronger than WPN, and 4th timeline one-shots it then becomes the OP witch.

So I suppose that Madoka can be like this in keys:

1st/2nd Timeline | 3rd Timeline | 4th Timeline | Ultimate Madoka

Magia Record Madoka should get her own profile tbh.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

So who is qualified for this task?

Strym can do it. He has made a revision thread before. He just need to write up the recap from the last thread.

Magia Record Madoka should get her own profile tbh.

Not just her, pretty much EVERYONE needs a Magia Record profile.

 

[Unqver]

Spamming keys for Madoka is 100% a bad idea. I get that some characters have even 6 keys or more, but these have notable differences to each other, Madoka between timelines only gets stronger in power and that's it.

1st/2nd timeline is still potrayed as around Mami level, so her beating WPN issa outlier in these.

3rd timeline it's only a bit stronger than WPN, and 4th timeline one-shots it then becomes the OP witch.

So I suppose that Madoka can be like this in keys:

1st/2nd Timeline | 3rd Timeline | 4th Timeline | Ultimate Madoka

Magia Record Madoka should get her own profile tbh.

I think combining the second and third timelines into one key would be the best, because the amplification here is really inexplicable (unless you think the ending of Greentown in the third timeline in Magia Record can include a description of the moon)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Strym can do it. He has made a revision thread before. He just need to write up the recap from the last thread.

If only I am not busy af with other verses. Plus I'd prefer it with a overhaul of the profiles than making 1398269827938 CRTs each with few things.

Not just her, pretty much EVERYONE needs a Magia Record profile.

Well if that isn't bothersome.

Also I see you ignoring my hints on making good profiles, what's that?

I think combining the second and third timelines into one key would be the best, because the amplification here is really inexplicable (unless you think the ending of Greentown in the third timeline in Magia Record can include a description of the moon)

We just know that Madoka gets stronger and stronger per reset until the boost is exponential. Though I can see your concern, aye.

 

[Unqver]

Strym can do it. He has made a revision thread before. He just need to write up the recap from the last thread.

Not just her, pretty much EVERYONE needs a Magia Record profile.

I asked a question that I have been asking all along but no one has answered me, how does Scence0 really count? Is it an independent multiverse or something?

 

[Unqver]

If only I am not busy af with other verses. Plus I'd prefer it with a overhaul of the profiles than making 1398269827938 CRTs each with few things.

Well if that isn't bothersome.

Also I see you ignoring my hints on making good profiles, what's that?

We just know that Madoka gets stronger and stronger per reset until the boost is exponential. Though I can see your concern, aye.

It is true that it is getting stronger, but compared to the first and second timelines, the difference between the second and third timelines is significantly smaller

 

[StrymULTRA]

It is true that it is getting stronger, but compared to the first and second timelines, the difference between the second and third timelines is significantly smaller

Idk chied, 3rd timeline is the only one I feel like she actually scales to Walphy.

 

[Unqver]

Idk chied, 3rd timeline is the only one I feel like she actually scales to Walphy.

But in the battle against Walpurisnacht, I really feel that there is not much difference, after all, killing and repelling are two different concepts

 

[StrymULTRA]

But in the battle against Walpurisnacht, I really feel that there is not much difference, after all, killing and repelling are two different concepts

What I mean that Walp is literally 5-C off being able to stop the Earth's rotation. No one in the main cast is remotely close to that power, and 1st/2nd timeline Madoka being able to fight it is nonsense, especially if she's still comparable to Mami and Homura. 3rd is the 1st that has an actual reason to do so, 1st and 2nd scaling to WPN is outlier instead.

 

[Unqver]

What I mean that Walp is literally 5-C off being able to stop the Earth's rotation. No one in the main cast is remotely close to that power, and 1st/2nd timeline Madoka being able to fight it is nonsense, especially if she's still comparable to Mami and Homura. 3rd is the 1st that has an actual reason to do so, 1st and 2nd scaling to WPN is outlier instead.

However, the reality is that Madoka on the second timeline Homura specifically mentioned that Mami was useless and killed Walpurisnacht, but Madoka and Homura's description of the third timeline is that they finally repelled Walpurisnacht

 

[StrymULTRA]

However, the reality is that Madoka on the second timeline Homura specifically mentioned that Mami was useless and killed Walpurisnacht, but Madoka and Homura's description of the third timeline is that they finally repelled Walpurisnacht

5-C Homura.

You know that ain't working bud.

 

[Unqver]

5-C Homura.

You know that ain't working bud.

And I'm not very sure why Walpurisnacht in an inverted state can obtain 5-C, and stopping the Earth's rotation and revolution seems to take a lot of time