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Prototype general discussion

Well Glad to hear it lol, Id like to tell you I was busy with real life (was a little, brother came down to visit) But the truth is I got into xcom ufo defense and xcom 2 war of the choosen for a bit and I got to absorbed. Then I lost my xcom 2 iron man save due to a crash....Broke me a bit, I consider it retribution for dissapointing my readers lol

edit I was considering doing a story about alex in xcom at some point though :p
 
Well, you have my condolences for your lost save.

And I'm quite glad that you're going to entertain your readers with your stories once more as repentance :)P).

Also, there are a couple amount of stories involving Prototype and XCOM (so you might need to give a more original flare to that Prototype/XCOM crossover story one day), just for the heads up.

By the way, for the idea of the RWBY and Prototype crossover, who is that RWBY character were you planning to have interacting with Alex Mercer (possibly becoming his Moral Compass and changing him for the better somehow)?
 
Well I still plan to come back to the idea but I have no problem sharing it, blake, she's part of the white fang since birth. She does what all children do when there told not to interfere/go somewhere she does just that.

Is found by some less then kind humans alex bored/looking for info drops down, turns them into mince meat. considers doing it to the 5-7 year old bruised faunus on the ground. She's crying whispering for someone to help her. Alex flashes back to the real alex mercers memories. Of dana bruised from their mothers wine bottle (Alex mother was and abusive alchoholic if memory serves me right) tears rolling down her eyes, the image of bruised dana superimposes itself on blake. Of the original alex hugging the girl close. (Human mercer wasn't always a monster)

Alex struggles, he's not alex mercer, dana isn't his sister...But maybe the memory itself is enough... He leads Blake back to the nearest group of faunus (Group looking for her) blake runs towards them, she tries to tell them about the man who helped but mercer is already gone. In this moment two destinies are changed forever.
 
So, Alex Mercer and Blake Belladonna first met when she was a very young child (a 5 year old), and they later met again when she is a Huntsman-in-training (17 years old, or over depending on the chronological time periods of the volumes for Blake)?
 
Not quite this won't be the last time they meet before her joining beacon, Alex decides to investigate the white fang, other chance meetings take place. Blake isn't quite the same, at a young age she gets experience with a "Good" "Human".....Lets put extra qoutation marks on human :p I was planning to devolop their relationship over a couple chapters before getting into the meat of the story.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Not quite this won't be the last time they meet before her joining beacon, Alex decides to investigate the white fang, other chance meetings take place. Blake isn't quite the same, at a young age she gets experience with a "Good" "Human".....Lets put extra qoutation marks on human :p I was planning to devolop their relationship over a couple chapters before getting into the meat of the story.
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Nice :p


Also, a side-topic for that: Do you think Alex Mercer could consume Grimm and gain their traits/abilities? I know that they evaporate upon death somehow, but I'm not sure what would happen if he were to absorb them while they are still alive (alive as you can get for soulless beings anyways). Do you think he would be able to replicate their traits in time down to the molecular level before they evaporated, and gain their abilities?

That might be something you can explore during the time periods where Alex Mercer and Blake aren't around each other.
 
Maybe? The problem with the grimm is from my limited understanding they are products of magic used by salem. Im not going to lie there would have been some comedic sketches where alex has a few captured huntsman and is incredibly annoyed as he tries to understand semblance, and later dust. (My plans for dust were especially fun...)
 
The pen or the sword said:
Maybe? The problem with the grimm is from my limited understanding they are products of magic used by salem. Im not going to lie there would have been some comedic sketches where alex has a few captured huntsman and is incredibly annoyed as he tries to understand semblance, and later dust. (My plans for dust were especially fun...)
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From what I can understand through watching all of the current RWBY volumes (and reading the RWBY wikia), they aren't created by by Salem. They are created by the God of Darkness though, and are spawned from the black pools in the Grimmland (which Salem got corrupted from in an attempt to to end her immortality through it), but I'm not sure if they are actually created by magic.

From what I can tell, their bodies evaporating upon death mainly prevents having their anatomies and biology being studied, so their physiology is likely possible by science (or at least RWBY's version of science). That would mean that Mercer should able to gain their abilities through their physiological/biological traits if he manages to absorb them before they evaporate, probably.
 
Thanks for the info! Im not familiar with the series so I had some misconceptions, If thats the case it should be possible though its going to take alex some time as he's going to have devour/cellularly examine the grimm as they disintergrate. Yeah that will work perfectly...Although the grim dont have much to offer mercer, I was going to do a match between mercers infected and the grim and the only one that can even match them is the grimm wyvren
 
The pen or the sword said:
Thanks for the info! Im not familiar with the series so I had some misconceptions, If thats the case it should be possible though its going to take alex some time as he's going to have devour/cellularly examine the grimm as they disintergrate. Yeah that will work perfectly...Although the grim dont have much to offer mercer, I was going to do a match between mercers infected and the grim and the only one that can even match them is the grimm wyvren
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Well, he definitely wouldn't gain anything new from them other than flight via wings and possibly better speed. But ones such as The Apathy could give him some nifty willpower-draining screech, probably.
 
Hmm, definitly worth thinking about it though I may do it that alex is inspired by the apathies abilities and attempts to use powerful pheromones/chemicals as he speaks to induce similar effects. Im not one hundred precent on him getting will power manip. Its something Ide need to consider more, sorry!
 
The pen or the sword said:
Hmm, definitly worth thinking about it though I may do it that alex is inspired by the apathies abilities and attempts to use powerful pheromones/chemicals as he speaks to induce similar effects. Im not one hundred precent on him getting will power manip. Its something Ide need to consider more, sorry!
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I'm already glad that you're considering it, so I have no problems with that.

But speaking of using the manipulation of pheromones to his own advantage, let's hope Mercer doesn't start using that to generate his own pheromones that affect humans/faunus (Faunus seems more in-tune with their animal instincts, so they'll probably be more affected by it) and attract them to him like flies as a mean of hunting. ^_^;
 
Alex mercer the viral equivlant of a human bugzapper...Hmm not sure it would ever fit into the story but I could totally do a oneshot of blake/other random faunus being overly lecherous towards alex due to pheromones he's using. Just make the situation totally akward for alex as he tries to figure how to deal with a slightly amourous girl that reminds him of his sister...Considering his general lack of sexuality I imagine it would be quite humerous..
 
The pen or the sword said:
How large of an area does alex gas cover?
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It covered the entirety of Penn Station the instant it has been unleashed. Keep in mind that it can spread rapidly quick due to its infection, and that was just the first moment it has been unleashed, so that probably wouldn't be the cap to its range as it later spread throughout an entire city (such as Manhattan) quite quickly.
 
Looking it up penn station is around two hundred meters thus his range with gass is two hundred meters, likly higher , sorry to bother was just curios. So why haven't you commented on the hyde vs mercer thread yet? :p
 
The pen or the sword said:
Looking it up penn station is around two hundred meters thus his range with gass is two hundred meters, likly higher , sorry to bother was just curios. So why haven't you commented on the hyde vs mercer thread yet? :p
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I was asleep. It was still early in the morning for me when the new replies came in.

Also, Mercer's range could probably be city-level via scaling his biomass to James Heller (whose tendrils covered an entire city like Manhattan/New York City upon consuming Mercer. Along with the fact that Heller apparently has the same listed range as Mercer), but yeah.
 
True enough, though that would only really be applicable in his 7-C key. Hmm don't think it really effects any of his battles though. Still good to keep in mind!

I didn't mean to pressure you was just curios as your usually right on those debates. Sorry if that came across as rude!
 
The pen or the sword said:
True enough, though that would only really be applicable in his 7-C key. Hmm don't think it really effects any of his battles though. Still good to keep in mind!

I didn't mean to pressure you was just curios as your usually right on those debates. Sorry if that came across as rude!
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No problem. While you came across as quite curious to me, you didn't have me the impression of being rude, so no issues for that.

I just woke up when I did that reply about the range with the Penn Station by the way, so I'll be brushing my teeth for a couple of minutes.

Also, you can read this in your spare time if you want to:

Link

The brief summary is that it's a FoZ/Prototype crossover with Mercer being summoned by Henrietta due to being in the ocean as a bunch of biomass during the nuclear detonation apparently.

This story had some interesting exploration on the politics and inner workings of the FoZ-verse. Magic (at least the wand-based ones that the humans use) is also apparently genetic in FoZ, so Mercer can replicate that via taking their genetics, knowledge, and skill with magic as well.

That's just a recommendation I make as I felt that it might be able to help you understand the FoZ setting better for your future stories with the FoZ setting. Not sure if Mercer fits your personality description that you made, but I heard that Mercer in that story is pretty in-character as of the Prototype 1 only version, so that's probably maybe.

However, be warned that Mercer has biomass-dependent Regenerationn (and has Low-High Regenerationn in that story), his Regenerationn is incredible slow without consuming/absorption as if this was Mercer with gameplay mechanics limitations, has kind of the same restrictions as a conventional virus (as in, he can only infect living beings rather than inanimate objects and such that he should be able to do), has his capabilities being mainly restricted by gameplay mechanics, and has absorption that requires him to kill his targets first (rather than just touching them) in that story. I've even recalled that the author of that fanfic themselves believed that Mercer could be harmed by gullets for some reason (even though a variety of Mercer's durability feats says otherwise), based on the couple versus debates that they did with Mercer from what I can recall, so expect this portrayal of Mercer to be quite underpowered than what the accepted portrayal is in this site.

In fact, those aforementioned logic are basically what Spacebattles debates with Alex Mercer are going with (including the downplay where Mercer gets annihilated by only the shockwave of the nuclear explosion, rather than the fact that he actually got incinerated by the nuclear fireball). Just to let you know.

Who knows, maybe the exploration could also help you with the Sasuga Ainz-sama story later. :p
 
Ive actually read a good chunk of the first part of this story and another by orange peon while hes a great writer I don't agree with many of his characterizations of mercer and he has a habit of treating alex like a moron. Thanks for the recommendation though, I truly appreciate it!
 
The pen or the sword said:
Ive actually read a good chunk of the first part of this story and another by orange peon while hes a great writer I don't agree with many of his characterizations of mercer and he has a habit of treating alex like a moron. Thanks for the recommendation though, I truly appreciate it!
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Nice to know. So what do you disagree with for his characterizations of Mercer? And examples of such characterizations?

Also, do you think Mercer in that story is quite underpowered (in terms of capabilities of Blacklight in combat or otherwise) in comparison to your portrayal? And why so?

I'm just being curious here, since you said that you disagree with some of what he did, and I just would like to know why. I hope I didn't offend you either ^_^;
 
Its all good my biggest problem with his protrayal is how sedate mercer is in his story, alex almost never takes a proactive approach to anything in his stories. Alex doesn't try to grow, or learn more. Hes perfectly content to sit back until he can be of use. Orange peon also never explores what alex is capable of biologically, for instance genetics related to magic.

Imagine what alex could do with that! He could create hunters that breathe fire/lightning, he can create evolved to assist him in massive magical endevors. But orange will never explore these ideas, alex will never attempt to be more then he is in orange stories.

Even more orange writes alex as a human with a virus, rather then a virus thats pretending to be human. I can buy alex caring about another person such as herrienta what I can't buy is him waiting for threats to come to her. Rather then him setting up premeptive mesures such as evolved/infected or wiping out anyone he beleives could be a threat to her. Alex isn't human and the concouisness he's based off isn't one thats stable. Theres no reason alex would ever allow a threat/enemy live for no good reason.

I understand wanting alex to grow as a person but thats not an easy proposition its something that would take years, and alex will never be a well balanced person regardless of the trials and tribulations he goes through he will always be somethin outside of human. He doesn't even have a functional brain, he a mass of hive minded viral tissue that only resembles humans on the surface level.
 
Also alex isn't the main character in peons stories, peon shifts focus to herrienta and others to often for my taste. He doesn't like to leave the spotlight on mercer and even more annoying to me when the story does come back to mercer he hasn't done anything in the meantime.

edit lets not forget the amount of times alex ends up being outsmarted in peons stories. I know alex didn't do any supergenuis moves the original prototype but he was still intellegent enough to stratgize and see a trap from a mile away yet in one story alex gets outsmarted by a group of demonic teenagers who drop a building on him despite the trap being incredibly obvious.
 
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Also alex isn't the main character in peons stories, peon shifts focus to herrienta and others to often for my taste. He doesn't like to leave the spotlight on mercer and even more annoying to me when the story does come back to mercer he hasn't done anything in the meantime.

edit lets not forget the amount of times alex ends up being outsmarted in peons stories. I know alex didn't do any supergenuis moves the original prototype but he was still intellegent enough to stratgize and see a trap from a mile away yet in one story alex gets outsmarted by a group of demonic teenagers who drop a building on him despite the trap being incredibly obvious.
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Okay.

So, you've said you read the first part of his stories.

Is that the part where he made Saito being able to somehow manipulate Alex Mercer via being the definition of a "weapon" (lol), even though Mercer fits that definition loosely as a viral bio-weapon of mass destruction?

Because if you're talking about that original version, I can guarantee you that Orange took a different direction in the second version of the crossover (and even admitted to his mistakes in the original one).
 
No I don't remeber that, though it is possible. At the end of the day im not interested in oranges stories at this point, perhaps hes changed but Im not interested in reading about a sedate mercer.

Sorry if that seems rude in many ways orange is a superior writer to me, I simply don't enjoy his characterizations all that much. I might check it out again at some point but it will depend heavily on how active a role mercer ends up taking in the story.

edit when I mention demonic teenagers im talking about another story I can't quite remeber the name...
 
That's understandable. Mercer does act a bit too human (albeit a broody one) in that story, but hopefully he has a more active role later on (it might be just me, but I could've sworn that his role is gradually becoming more active in the later arcs).

At least you're considering reading it one day, which I'm glad about.

I also never heard of the demonic teenagers story, and I don't think that's ringing any bells as no names of such series are popping up for me.
 
It was one of his older stories flight, honestly its probably a matter of me reading the original and this story that ultimatly turned me off to his writing...

edit see thats the thing gradually, Im not overly invested in the story until I get to see what mercers doing and if he spends an extended period of time not doing anything my interest waynes...
 
Oh yeah, that...

I don't know why, but the way he portrayed Mercer's capabilities (especially in that Flight story) bothered me there, even if forums such as Spacebattles has similar portrayal of his capabilities.

Edit: Well, I can't blame you for that. Mercer is quite a difficult character to understand if you don't go through the entirety of Prototype 1 (and maybe 2) at least twice.
 
I might come back around some day but its not going to be for some time, sorry :p

edit small question Does he still write chapters that don't have mercer in them at all?
 
Hmm.

From what I can recall, he rarely writes chapters that has no mentions of Mercer in some way. He does occasionally write chapters where Mercer isn't present (but there are mentions of him in some way) though, from what I can recall.
 
One day I may return to his stories, but not today sir! Not today! :p

As for the ainz sama story it's almost ready and you get to see how albedo and demuirge are handling the situation so look forward to that :)
 
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