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Powers & Abilities Evaluations Thread

Detective_Blizzard said:
Non-descript type of black dust alongside more sand like dust. It's not any type since he produces it from his own body so I wasn't sure if the black dust would warrant something more generalized especially due to how he uses it.


He produces it from his body and creates both a sand and dust like storm, here's an example of it
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I would put a [[Sand Manipulation|Dust Manipulation]], and then expand on it in the ability's description.
 
Perequeliri993 said:
I would put a [[Sand Manipulation|Dust Manipulation]], and then expand on it in the ability's description.
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Fair enough, though looking closer at it this dude seems to be able to produce and control a bunch of different dust types so I'm likely going to classify it as just both,

Side question, wouldn't he also get wind manipulation due to how these dust storms work? Also what would him causing them to be so dense that people can't see through them count as, Status Inducement?
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Fair enough, though looking closer at it this dude seems to be able to produce and control a bunch of different dust types so I'm likely going to classify it as just both,
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Detective_Blizzard said:
Side question, wouldn't he also get wind manipulation due to how these dust storms work?
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I would say causing a sandstorm would be more of a side-effect. You can put it, but make sure to give your reasoning
Detective_Blizzard said:
Also what would him causing them to be so dense that people can't see through them count as, Status Inducement?
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Nothing really, just a feat addition
 
What would manipulating the manifestation of a type 2 concept grant you? Let’s also say the manifestation has type 2 Abstract Existence.
 
IDK3465 said:
What would manipulating the manifestation of a type 2 concept grant you? Let’s also say the manifestation has type 2 Abstract Existence.
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Type 2 concept manip, and if the character is supposed to have resistance to it, also resist nullification, albeit I believe that page was fused with power null.
 
Does this qualify as info type 2?:

Basically, in the novel I'm reading, everything is made of laws and energy. Every being, stone, material, soul, etc... is made up of those things. It was stated that everything is simply a calculation of different laws together.

This is shown further more when a character brought back their companion from death with their laws but felt nothing since everything was simply laws and he could know everything about them, what they do, what they wouldn't do, etc... and this includes to every other being as well even those he haven't resurrected.

Type 2 info page mentions that the world needs to be made of these information, so I was wondering if Laws in this case would qualify, since characters who knows them would know about everything, since everything is made of laws.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Does this qualify as info type 2?:

Basically, in the novel I'm reading, everything is made of laws and energy. Every being, stone, material, soul, etc... is made up of those things. It was stated that everything is simply a calculation of different laws together.

This is shown further more when a character brought back their companion from death with their laws but felt nothing since everything was simply laws and he could know everything about them, what they do, what they wouldn't do, etc... and this includes to every other being as well even those he haven't resurrected.

Type 2 info page mentions that the world needs to be made of these information, so I was wondering if Laws in this case would qualify, since characters who knows them would know about everything, since everything is made of laws.
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It seems like that is a bit of a fusion between Law Manip and info manip 2. However, being how the laws seem to be treated more like the "Essence" of their existance, I believe info manip 2 would be accurate, yeah
 
I got a character who's capable of hacking into and seeing through camera's with a biotic eye, would that count as enhanced senses, extrasensory perception, or some type of clairvoyance?
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
I got a character who's capable of hacking into and seeing through camera's with a biotic eye, would that count as enhanced senses, extrasensory perception, or some type of clairvoyance?
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Hacking, partial Cyborgization and limited Clarivoyance. Seeing through someone else's eyes counts as Clairvoyance, so it's likely the best option.
 
So, in a novel I'm reading, there are things that are called Dao/Laws, and characters can manipulate them. Usually this would be just law manipulation and that's it, but the more the novels explains, the more I'm not sure.

So, in the novel, everything is made of laws and energies. In a previous post I made it was shown that you can get information about anyone with laws since everything is made of laws, with characters stating that everything just looked like an "equation, calculation, etc...".

Then, in the novel, it was stated that Laws are what defines what is and how it works. Everything is made up of laws, and there are laws like laws of fire, lightning, emotions, etc...

Considering it stated that Laws define what is and how it work, would it be considered concept manip as well?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
So, in a novel I'm reading, there are things that are called Dao/Laws, and characters can manipulate them. Usually this would be just law manipulation and that's it, but the more the novels explains, the more I'm not sure.

So, in the novel, everything is made of laws and energies. In a previous post I made it was shown that you can get information about anyone with laws since everything is made of laws, with characters stating that everything just looked like an "equation, calculation, etc...".

Then, in the novel, it was stated that Laws are what defines what is and how it works. Everything is made up of laws, and there are laws like laws of fire, lightning, emotions, etc...

Considering it stated that Laws define what is and how it work, would it be considered concept manip as well?
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Sound like info and law manip to me. For what it the line can get a little blurry between the three sometimes, but I believe they are mostly manipulation the information of X thing's existance, instead of its concept:
Info represents what something IS; Concept represents what something is UNDERSTOOD, BELIEVED or SUPPOSED to be. I believe info an law manip is more accurate
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
sounds like Info manip to me
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That I know, however laws were also interchanged with concepts in the novel, and the fact that if someone changed actual law of reality (ie instead of just manipulating it a bit), like law of fire, then everything about fire in the world would change.

Not to mention, I'm honestly unsure if Laws are info type 2 or if there could be more info type 2 in the verse, considering the last chapter I read in the novel has this:
There was no Energy in the surroundings.
There was no air.
There was no earth.
There was nothing.
Everything was black.
...
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'I have never felt this force before! It's different than everything I have ever seen!' Gravis thought with shock.
'All the Laws I know have one thing in common.'
'They all work with Energy or by using things created with Energy, like my Will-Aura.'
'Yet…'
'There is no Energy in this force!'
'The very fundamentals are different!'
This was the greatest difference between this force and all the others.
The highest Heaven's Cosmos was built with Energy.
Everything was built with Energy.
Matter was built with Energy.
Souls were built with Energy.
Gravity was built with Energy.
Time was built with Energy.
Space was built with Energy.
Even the very Laws themselves were built with Energy.
Even Gravis' Void Lightning was just a different form of Energy.
Yet, this force had nothing to do with Energy.
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If Laws were info type 2, would energy also be considered info type 2 since it created laws, or is it info type 2 by itself alone since it quite literally creates everything, including time and space?

Edit: Forgot to mention this, but when the MC cut off the finger of someone with the Law of Death (Completely different from any other law in the universe and isn't made up of energy), that finger ceased to exist and the guy couldn't regenerate it.

Why? Because that attack cut off a part of his existence and being, and since everything is made of laws, that attack destroyed the laws belonging to that finger. It was stated that it couldn't be healed because the guy's body was already healthy, and that "In the eyes of the world, the guy was a being with nine fingers, and it was like he never had ten fingers"
 
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Rikimarox2 said:
That I know, however laws were also interchanged with concepts in the novel, and the fact that if someone changed actual law of reality (ie instead of just manipulating it a bit), like law of fire, then everything about fire in the world would change.

Not to mention, I'm honestly unsure if Laws are info type 2 or if there could be more info type 2 in the verse, considering the last chapter I read in the novel has this:

If Laws were info type 2, would energy also be considered info type 2 since it created laws, or is it info type 2 by itself alone since it quite literally creates everything, including time and space?
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Info type 2 is literally the same as this "Energy"; it is something that everything is made up of. In this case Laws are are just Info type 2 constructs, and manipulating them would be both Law and info manip.
Rikimarox2 said:
Edit: Forgot to mention this, but when the MC cut off the finger of someone with the Law of Death (Completely different from any other law in the universe and isn't made up of energy), that finger ceased to exist and the guy couldn't regenerate it.

Why? Because that attack cut off a part of his existence and being, and since everything is made of laws, that attack destroyed the laws belonging to that finger. It was stated that it couldn't be healed because the guy's body was already healthy, and that "In the eyes of the world, the guy was a being with nine fingers, and it was like he never had ten fingers"
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This would be Regen negation and limited Existance Erasure, since what he erased is very small, unless there's greater erasure feats. This 'Law of Death', and similar abilities, would give limited resistance to info type 2 manip since they aren't mad of it and thus, cannot be manipulated by those who use it.


Have in mind that type 2 info is basically like reality's coding, each digit and letter that participates in its creation, and the laws would be the strings of code created with those symbols.
 
Alright nice. Would manipulating Energy alone (Even basic usage) grant users Info type 2 or nah?
 
Would a being that lacks a fundamental thing, said fundamental thing is what makes everything (Body, soul, mind, laws, time, space, materials, life, etc...) and said being was stated to be made of the very opposite of said fundamental thing, would they get NEP Nature 2? Btw this is about the #2062 reply, aka mine.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Would a being that lacks a fundamental thing, said fundamental thing is what makes everything (Body, soul, mind, laws, time, space, materials, life, etc...) and said being was stated to be made of the very opposite of said fundamental thing, would they get NEP Nature 2? Btw this is about the #2062 reply, aka mine.
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Wait, what are they: are they made of the opposite, or of nothing at all?
 
Perequeliri993 said:
Are they incorporeal? Like, they have no body at all?
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They kinda have a body? But since said body is made entirely out of the thing that is Antithesis to Energy, nothing can affect it. Someone tried to block it, but the being's mere existence just went through it while the guy got Injured since that being was made of Antithesis. Laws, attacks, etc... doesn't work it, and it was stated that it lacked a mind and soul, and they couldn't feel anything out of it. Additionally, its mere presence was tearing the fabric of space and time since it was made of the Antithesis. Additionally, iirc, nothing can be done to it unless they also know/can use the Antithesis thing.

Edit: FYI, this Antithesis is called the Law of Death. Not normal death, like the opposite of life, the novel makes a clear distinction between them, they are completely unrelated. Additionally, it was shown that if a character was filled with Death, they couldn't exist anymore:
If Energy were eradicated and only Death survived, the Opposer would die. The Opposer was a being made of Energy, and if only Death filled him, he couldn't exist.
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Rikimarox2 said:
They kinda have a body? But since said body is made entirely out of the thing that is Antithesis to Energy, nothing can affect it. Someone tried to block it, but the being's mere existence just went through it while the guy got Injured since that being was made of Antithesis. Laws, attacks, etc... doesn't work it, and it was stated that it lacked a mind and soul, and they couldn't feel anything out of it. Additionally, its mere presence was tearing the fabric of space and time since it was made of the Antithesis. Additionally, iirc, nothing can be done to it unless they also know/can use the Antithesis thing.
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If they had had no greater feats than simply lacking Energy/opposing it, I would've said it was simply Immunity to Info manip type 2, but if it goes to this extremes, then this would be more accurate:

Incorporeality, and Nonexistant Physiology (Nature type 1, Aspects type 1, 3, 4 and 5 (Laws, time, emotions, life); Is made entirely out of the Antithesis to Energy, Energy being the building block and Information for all of existance, including things like soul, mind, laws, time, emotions, life, etc)

You, of course, should expand on this with more verse knowledge than I'm aware of. Also, anything that is said to be made out of Energy would also count towards their aspects. Like, for example, if there is ever some kind of talk of concepts being made of Energy, they would gain aspect 2 aswell. Also also, you should look if there's any type of Acausality they qualify for; this character sounds like they could get something.
 
Perequeliri993 said:
If they had had no greater feats than simply lacking Energy/opposing it, I would've said it was simply Immunity to Info manip type 2, but if it goes to this extremes, then this would be more accurate:

Incorporeality, and Nonexistant Physiology (Nature type 1, Aspects type 1, 3, 4 and 5 (Laws, time, emotions, life); Is made entirely out of the Antithesis to Energy, Energy being the building block and Information for all of existance, including things like soul, mind, laws, time, emotions, life, etc)

You, of course, should expand on this with more verse knowledge than I'm aware of. Also, anything that is said to be made out of Energy would also count towards their aspects. Like, for example, if there is ever some kind of talk of concepts being made of Energy, they would gain aspect 2 aswell. Also also, you should look if there's any type of Acausality they qualify for; this character sounds like they could get something.
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Thanks for the reply! Although, wouldn't it fit more for Nature type 2 rather than 1? Since the type 2 description states: "Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence."
They are the antithesis/opposite of Energy, which is basically Existence itself. Or is that not enough?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Thanks for the reply! Although, wouldn't it fit more for Nature type 2 rather than 1? Since the type 2 description states: "Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence."
They are the antithesis/opposite of Energy, which is basically Existence itself. Or is that not enough?
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IDK, I'm much more qualified to talk about aspects, but now that you mention it, yeah, it sounds much more accurate to the situation at hand
 
Rikimarox2 said:
If Laws were info type 2, would energy also be considered info type 2 since it created laws, or is it info type 2 by itself alone since it quite literally creates everything, including time and space?
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Energy would be info type 2 if laws are type 2 since it makes it up, but it energy in-of-itself doesn't have to be info type 2 or the stuff like that to be as if not more fundamental than said stuff (Hell I know a verse that is so similar to this situation in some regard that I am surprised at it, verse is Birth Of The Demonic Sword btw)
Rikimarox2 said:
Thanks for the reply! Although, wouldn't it fit more for Nature type 2 rather than 1? Since the type 2 description states: "Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence."
They are the antithesis/opposite of Energy, which is basically Existence itself. Or is that not enough?
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Nope, as NEP nature 2 is qualified by being a even more "empty" void than even things which are normally nonexistent
 
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