Possibly cosmology Update for Nasuverse

[Hypercyber37]

Well I won't lose anything

texture of humanity already has infinite layers that are higher dimensions.

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(Source of the Inf-D Scan: Singularity Solomon section)

(Kanji for Stack and Layer = 重ね and レイヤ)


musashi no Lostbelt 5.2 - Section 5, has a dialogue with mash about his journey between parallel worlds, and between the texture itself. In this dialogue, Mash explains that his journey is from higher to lower dimensions.

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And mash also mentions that there are countless possible dimensions where she "falls" from a higher dimension, but she was trapped in the LB Olympus due to the events against chaos.

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Maou Tsukai, the Kudatsuji residence is described as an area where "worlds in illustrated books" exist.

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This would place only the human texture at level 1-A, with each layer containing its own multiverse that branches out, creating singularities from the main narrative. Above this would be the texture of the gods, considered a second hierarchy of textures.

In the new system, just the planet in the Nasuverse alone already reaches 1-A, and this is only the beginning of the cosmology.

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Agreed:
Disagreed:
Neutral:

 

[Huesito88]

None of the discord links are working bud (this tends to happen with discord links a lot, make new links using Imgur!)

 

[Hypercyber37]

None of the discord links are working bud (this tends to happen with discord links a lot, make new links using Imgur!)

Damnit

 

[Ebihara]

Watching will read everything when links are fixed.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

lol

 

[AyeZ2]

Following

 

[Hypercyber37]

Watching will read everything when links are fixed.

EI'm fixing this, thanks

 

[Vietthai96]

No, this is just the verse using R > F as a metaphorical comparison to show the relationship between higher and lower dimension, it have nothing to do with actual R > F, this is called false R > F which give you +1D for each higher dimension

 

[GarrixianXD]

None of the scans you provided are translated.

 

[Hypercyber37]

No, this is just the verse using R > F as a metaphorical comparison to show the relationship between higher and lower dimension, it have nothing to do with actual R > F, this is called false R > F which give you +1D for each higher dimension

If anything goes wrong, I can replace this with High 1-B. I have more R>F evidence I will add them now

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Needs translations for any of what you said to be verifiable. As far as I know, you could be making things up.

 

[Huesito88]

Needs translations for any of what you said to be verifiable. As far as I know, you could be making things up.

Good thing we have Breaker here

 

[Hypercyber37]

I don't see any problems for now. If there is a problem, I will remove R>F. In this way, at least High 1-B seems possible

 

[Boy.Line]

Well I won't lose anything if I try

according to Rin's explanation in CCC, every dimension in the verse has R>F, only the texture of humanity already has infinite layers that are higher dimensions. in fact it is above that, according to Rin's explanation in CCC, every dimension in the verse has R>F, only the texture of humanity already has infinite layers that are higher dimensions.

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(Source of the Inf-D Scan: Singularity Solomon section)

(Kanji for Stack and Layer = 重ね and レイヤ)

Rin in Extra CCC mentions that the lower dimensions in the universe are seen as a flat painting in an illustrated book, where one is able to record the past, present, and future that exist within the book.

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musashi no Lostbelt 5.2 - Section 5, has a dialogue with mash about his journey between parallel worlds, and between the texture itself. In this dialogue, Mash explains that his journey is from higher to lower dimensions.

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And mash also mentions that there are countless possible dimensions where she "falls" from a higher dimension, but she was trapped in the LB Olympus due to the events against chaos.

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Maou Tsukai, the Kudatsuji residence is described as an area where "worlds in illustrated books" exist.

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This would place only the human texture at level 1-A+, with each layer containing its own multiverse that branches out, creating singularities from the main narrative. Above this would be the texture of the gods, considered a second hierarchy of textures. According to the wiki, these textures would fall within H1-A, as they are above the previous hierarchy, along with the void space or imaginary space, which contains logical space, also classified as H1-A+.

In the new system, just the planet in the Nasuverse alone already reaches H1-A+, and this is only the beginning of the cosmology.

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I will add a few things here that might help, although later I will make a more extensive summary.

Kadoc mentions textures as layers: "an outer layer" (表層).

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In LB1, when Romes talks about the Lostbelts, he refers to them as a "superimposition of textures."

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In Traum, we are introduced to a character named "Joana." She is something that "once believed to exist, later affirmed as non-existent", the Papisa Joana. She is something that supports the argument of the illustrated book because, as Romes himself explained, "When it comes to inscribing her existence in the history of humanity as a whole, where does the past reality end and where does fantasy begin?" As Rin explained, something within the story exists only there, but those who have the ability to travel between them cannot describe the difference between reality and fiction because it is infinite, as he showed in Rin's explanation.

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"She is a fictional person, existing only vaguely in the texture woven into reality."

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Moving to the strengths, Oberon says that the illustrated books are materializations of dreams. They are fictional stories made by someone, which was exactly the case of Morgan. She created the materialization of a dream she wished for. He mentions that the Queen’s Calendar is a fairy tale written by Morgan.

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He later mentions that he is a character made by legends, a fictional character, and explains that "as a secondary character. If I think too much, reality will become unstable." They have the idea of being stories and legends, but they cannot be mentally unstable in this situation. He continues: "It’s not expected that the reader has so much imagination. Not even the playwright who wrote the script." Here, he clearly refers to the story as a tale, concluding with: "It’s just a fairy tale. Unnecessary things can be forgotten on a page." He even refers to pages as "events" in the story, exactly what Rin explained in CCC, as records of the past, present, and future within the tale.

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However, what most supports this is that he explicitly mentions what an illustrated book is: "Here, everything was a fairy tale. It was a single story." A 14,000-year-old illustrated book created by Morgan, which only had a place in the fictional history. He highlights the illustrated book as a fictional story, just like in his explanation of tales.

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This is found in Joana's dialogue with Charles Magno, where he refers to her as "a dream within the history of humanity," which validates the 1-A+ (infinite hierarchy of R>F in the human texture).

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Another highlight is this phrase: "Fantasy varies from person to person. A strong king. A kind king. A terrifying king. There are many types. And thus, humanity has always concretized its fantasies. A future of dreams will soon cease to be just a dream."

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And to finish, just like he mentioned earlier, in Maou Tsukai there are also illustrated books. (https://ibb.co/kDcfy0k) In the latest Singularities that were released, there was a special FGO X Mahou Tsukai in "Hot Springs," where the final dialogue between Aoko, Alice, and Mash talks about these worlds in illustrated books, which are also seen as dreams: "Instead of becoming a world like in a dream, dreams have stopped being told. Regardless of the time or circumstances, there will always be people who talk about dreams. Surely, the place where dreams are entrusted will only change. Those who receive the dreams don't need to be from that time. Even if our time... the world in which this person lives, has reached a dead end in evolution... even if this world was erased because 'it wasn't right'? There will always be people who receive dreams without destination. The simple fact that you desire it will already be linked to the expansion of the world." And it finishes with: "Past, present, future. Men and women from different worlds gathered." There, she highlighted the magical spring event as "a world that was a dream," and also referenced "Past, present, future" gathered in these dreams as people, much like the perception of records, which completes the proof for 1-A+.

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I see the H1-A in the texture of the gods, which was also mentioned in Traum. It is a second hierarchy of textures where the gods live. It is the texture of the Age of Gods, which Romes describes as a myth. He specifically mentions the fictional Heroic Spirits, saying "For the Heroic Spirits, things like reality and fiction don't carry much meaning." Whether they exist in reality or have existed in life doesn't make a difference, as the throne of the heroes is a dimension above the planet, and the textures allow their avatars, made of ether, to interact with humans in a specific dimension.

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Continuing with the Texture of the gods, in the Babylon Singularity, Da Vinci talks exactly about the ether and being above human textures: "In the Age of the Gods, the great source of magical power overflowed. And it wasn’t just the quantity (量), but the quality (質) was different." She speaks about an ontological difference in the density of Spiritrons in the Age of the Gods. She specifically mentions that the gods are made of true ether in their primordial source. However, she also talks about the gods created by legends: "There are several theories about whether the gods in legends, beliefs, and religions from various parts of the world that still endure in the modern age are exactly the same."

When gods are created by humans, they become divine spirits, or those who have lost their form, but the most important part is what she says: "On a higher level (高次 - higher dimension or higher order), not here, they observe the world as empty divine spirits... This is the widely accepted theory at present." She specifically refers to divine spirits existing in a dimension of higher order, which possesses superior qualities, meaning it is not determined by quantity. She also mentions exactly what is said about dreams and legends in the illustrated book: "This, too, will disappear completely in a thousand years, and eventually, it will be replaced in people's consciousness by 'legends.'"

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In addition to Dr. Roman, both he and Ishtar mention higher dimensions in the Age of the Gods, where divine spirits reside. (I'll leave it in English, but I also have the Japanese version.)

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And regarding who can interact or not. (This is impossible without attributes from a higher dimension or someone who already has an origin from one.) The Nasuverse declares that beings who interact with a lower dimension are completely omnipotent and omniscient. Not only does Da Vinci affirm this, but in Tsukihime Remake, it is also stated: "The 'divine power' of a god is a mystery that surpasses magecraft. It can be said to be the manifestation of omniscience and omnipotence (全知全能)." This also places the texture of the gods in H1-A, as it is a second hierarchy above an infinite one, which is the texture of humanity.

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We know that there are infinite gods and variations of the same, being superior concepts. So, it’s easy to highlight that they are infinite, but if there is a need for infinite evidence here, I can provide more proof.

Finally, just to highlight the 'interaction'. We are introduced to the 'Wandering Sea.' It is said by Sion: "The Wandering Sea is something like a singularity that constantly floats in the gaps of the Earth's texture." And it is described by the true mage at the end of Tunguska as: "That area 'disappeared' from this universe, lost in space-time. Gone forever. No one can observe, no one can interact." He talks about it not existing in reality, and this is one of the reasons it prevented the Alien God’s attacks for a long time. What further supports this is his mention that it’s impossible to interact with beings from another texture because of it. Imaginary Scramble also gives an idea of this.

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For now, that’s all. I hope this helps.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Good thing we have Breaker here

Gonna break the wank.

 

[Boy.Line]

No, this is just the verse using R > F as a metaphorical comparison to show the relationship between higher and lower dimension, it have nothing to do with actual R > F, this is called false R > F which give you +1D for each higher dimension

? Rin literally explains that higher dimensions are like an illustrated book with all the words.

 

[Hypercyber37]

I will add a few things here that might help, although later I will make a more extensive summary.

Kadoc mentions textures as layers: "an outer layer" (表層).

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In LB1, when Romes talks about the Lostbelts, he refers to them as a "superimposition of textures."

https://ibb.co/z22PKp0

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In Traum, we are introduced to a character named "Joana." She is something that "once believed to exist, later affirmed as non-existent", the Papisa Joana. She is something that supports the argument of the illustrated book because, as Romes himself explained, "When it comes to inscribing her existence in the history of humanity as a whole, where does the past reality end and where does fantasy begin?" As Rin explained, something within the story exists only there, but those who have the ability to travel between them cannot describe the difference between reality and fiction because it is infinite, as he showed in Rin's explanation.

https://ibb.co/4768qWB
https://ibb.co/0yvYXCz

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"She is a fictional person, existing only vaguely in the texture woven into reality."

https://ibb.co/n83phBY

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Moving to the strengths, Oberon says that the illustrated books are materializations of dreams. They are fictional stories made by someone, which was exactly the case of Morgan. She created the materialization of a dream she wished for. He mentions that the Queen’s Calendar is a fairy tale written by Morgan.

https://ibb.co/58zPpbg

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He later mentions that he is a character made by legends, a fictional character, and explains that "as a secondary character. If I think too much, reality will become unstable." They have the idea of being stories and legends, but they cannot be mentally unstable in this situation. He continues: "It’s not expected that the reader has so much imagination. Not even the playwright who wrote the script." Here, he clearly refers to the story as a tale, concluding with: "It’s just a fairy tale. Unnecessary things can be forgotten on a page." He even refers to pages as "events" in the story, exactly what Rin explained in CCC, as records of the past, present, and future within the tale.

https://ibb.co/hC3VB9g
https://ibb.co/tZyqzNm
https://ibb.co/HxZFDBz

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However, what most supports this is that he explicitly mentions what an illustrated book is: "Here, everything was a fairy tale. It was a single story." A 14,000-year-old illustrated book created by Morgan, which only had a place in the fictional history. He highlights the illustrated trash as a fictional story, just like in his explanation of tales.

https://ibb.co/xj29Q2b

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This is found in Joana's dialogue with Charles Magno, where he refers to her as "a dream within the history of humanity," which validates the 1-A+ (infinite hierarchy of R>F in the human texture).

https://ibb.co/KzMVYRQ

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Another highlight is this phrase: "Fantasy varies from person to person. A strong king. A kind king. A terrifying king. There are many types. And thus, humanity has always concretized its fantasies. A future of dreams will soon cease to be just a dream."

https://ibb.co/19mNFJD

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And to finish, just like he mentioned earlier, in Maou Tsukai there are also illustrated books. (https://ibb.co/kDcfy0k) In the latest Singularities that were released, there was a special FGO X Mahou Tsukai in "Hot Springs," where the final dialogue between Aoko, Alice, and Mash talks about these worlds in illustrated books, which are also seen as dreams: "Instead of becoming a world like in a dream, dreams have stopped being told. Regardless of the time or circumstances, there will always be people who talk about dreams. Surely, the place where dreams are entrusted will only change. Those who receive the dreams don't need to be from that time. Even if our time... the world in which this person lives, has reached a dead end in evolution... even if this world was erased because 'it wasn't right'? There will always be people who receive dreams without destination. The simple fact that you desire it will already be linked to the expansion of the world." And it finishes with: "Past, present, future. Men and women from different worlds gathered." There, she highlighted the magical spring event as "a world that was a dream," and also referenced "Past, present, future" gathered in these dreams as people, much like the perception of records, which completes the proof for 1-A+.

https://ibb.co/8btFFYR
https://ibb.co/YLrcGBD
https://ibb.co/4gLLZRF
https://ibb.co/YDV84S4
https://ibb.co/XJGQ2pz
https://ibb.co/QK3fcDW

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I see the H1-A in the texture of the gods, which was also mentioned in Traum. It is a second hierarchy of textures where the gods live. It is the texture of the Age of Gods, which Romes describes as a myth. He specifically mentions the fictional Heroic Spirits, saying "For the Heroic Spirits, things like reality and fiction don't carry much meaning." Whether they exist in reality or have existed in life doesn't make a difference, as the throne of the heroes is a dimension above the planet, and the textures allow their avatars, made of ether, to interact with humans in a specific dimension.

https://ibb.co/54g3hc1

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Continuing with the Texture of the gods, in the Babylon Singularity, Da Vinci talks exactly about the ether and being above human textures: "In the Age of the Gods, the great source of magical power overflowed. And it wasn’t just the quantity (量), but the quality (質) was different." She speaks about an ontological difference in the density of Spiritrons in the Age of the Gods. She specifically mentions that the gods are made of true ether in their primordial source. However, she also talks about the gods created by legends: "There are several theories about whether the gods in legends, beliefs, and religions from various parts of the world that still endure in the modern age are exactly the same."

When gods are created by humans, they become divine spirits, or those who have lost their form, but the most important part is what she says: "On a higher level (高次 - higher dimension or higher order), not here, they observe the world as empty divine spirits... This is the widely accepted theory at present." She specifically refers to divine spirits existing in a dimension of higher order, which possesses superior qualities, meaning it is not determined by quantity. She also mentions exactly what is said about dreams and legends in the illustrated book: "This, too, will disappear completely in a thousand years, and eventually, it will be replaced in people's consciousness by 'legends.'"

https://ibb.co/ns731dh
https://ibb.co/85sQGVB
https://ibb.co/4mWWpdW

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In addition to Dr. Roman, both he and Ishtar mention higher dimensions in the Age of the Gods, where divine spirits reside. (I'll leave it in English, but I also have the Japanese version.)

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And regarding who can interact or not. (This is impossible without attributes from a higher dimension or someone who already has an origin from one.) The Nasuverse declares that beings who interact with a lower dimension are completely omnipotent and omniscient. Not only does Da Vinci affirm this, but in Tsukihime Remake, it is also stated: "The 'divine power' of a god is a mystery that surpasses magecraft. It can be said to be the manifestation of omniscience and omnipotence (全知全能)." This also places the texture of the gods in H1-A, as it is a second hierarchy above an infinite one, which is the texture of humanity.

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We know that there are infinite gods and variations of the same, being superior concepts. So, it’s easy to highlight that they are infinite, but if there is a need for infinite evidence here, I can provide more proof.

Finally, just to highlight the 'interaction'. We are introduced to the 'Wandering Sea.' It is said by Sion: "The Wandering Sea is something like a singularity that constantly floats in the gaps of the Earth's texture." And it is described by the true mage at the end of Tunguska as: "That area 'disappeared' from this universe, lost in space-time. Gone forever. No one can observe, no one can interact." He talks about it not existing in reality, and this is one of the reasons it prevented the Alien God’s attacks for a long time. What further supports this is his mention that it’s impossible to interact with beings from another texture because of it. Imaginary Scramble also gives an idea of this.

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For now, that’s all. I hope this helps.

You are Amazing

 

[Boy.Line]

No, this is just the verse using R > F as a metaphorical comparison to show the relationship between higher and lower dimension, it have nothing to do with actual R > F, this is called false R > F which give you +1D for each higher dimension

You say this but I doubt you have anything to prove the "+1D" since a geometric difference limited by quantities has never been confirmed, but rather that it works with a conceptual difference in everything.

 

[Wankbreaker]

lol

 

[Huesito88]

lol

When will the translations be done?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Higher dimensional beings directly interact with lower ones, and vice versa, there is no R>F here

The “higher-dimensional” Goetia was getting into a fist fight with fujimaru

 

[Wankbreaker]

When will the translations be done?

this isn’t even worth any effort, ngl.

If the OP can get a single voting staff to agree, that’d be different

 

[Boy.Line]

Good thing we have Breaker here

Esse ai só

Higher dimensional beings directly interact with lower ones, and vice versa, there is no R>F here

The “higher-dimensional” Goetia was getting into a fist fight with fujimaru

? The same Fujimaru who has an energy supply from an infinite grail like Chaldea? (each of them mentioned in premonition to be higher dimensions by Goetia himself to Fujimaru)

Masters get stronger when they make a contract with a master too, this doesn't disprove anything. If you are going to give an opinion about a work you have not read, give a coherent argument.

 

[BreezeHM]

Esse ai só
? The same Fujimaru who has an energy supply from an infinite grail like Chaldea? (each of them mentioned in premonition to be higher dimensions by Goetia himself to Fujimaru)

Masters get stronger when they make a contract with a master too, this doesn't disprove anything. If you are going to give an opinion about a work you have not read, give a coherent argument.

This also happened with Morgan who was stated to be on par with Olympian gods getting killed by Knights. The R > F doesn't hold up at all

 

[Boy.Line]

this isn’t even worth any effort, ngl.

If the OP can get a single voting staff to agree, that’d be different

Is it not worth the effort or do you not know how to refute beyond guessing?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Esse ai só
? The same Fujimaru who has an energy supply from an infinite grail like Chaldea? (each of them mentioned in premonition to be higher dimensions by Goetia himself to Fujimaru)

Masters get stronger when they make a contract with a master too, this doesn't disprove anything. If you are going to give an opinion about a work you have not read, give a coherent argument.

This addresses nothing. Fiction cannot interact with reality, and reality cannot interact with fiction. Mere energy values don’t fix this.

So yea, I disagree

 

[Boy.Line]

This also happened with Morgan who was stated to be on par with Olympian gods getting killed by Knights. The R > F doesn't hold up at all

Morgan is not equivalent to the gods of Olympus lol, gordof mentioned this only because she "looked strong" after the attack on the fantasy tree, but morgan only stored energy on the throne for 14 thousand years, And even took energy from his own tree, transforming it into Lost World

 

[Boy.Line]

This addresses nothing. Fiction cannot interact with reality, and reality cannot interact with fiction. Mere energy values don’t fix this.

So yea, I disagree

And I literally sent proof of this, the servants are just avatars made of ether with limited energy for each dimension where they are summoned, this was explained by Olga in singularity F and by Shirou in SN realta nua. And I sent proof of not interacting exactly with the wandering sea.

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[Antvasima]

@CrimsonStarFallen @Iapitus_The_Impaler @Iapitus_The_Impaler @RegisNex1232 @Zencha9 @ShadowWhoWalks @Celestial_Pegasus @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Abstractions @Crabwhale

Are any of you willing to help evaluate this please?

 

[Boy.Line]

This addresses nothing. Fiction cannot interact with reality, and reality cannot interact with fiction. Mere energy values don’t fix this.

So yea, I disagree

And you literally disagree because you want to degrade the verse, you were making monstrous 4D topics.

 

[KingNanaya]

Wow

 

[LamentSatanael]

They provided the reasoning for why they disagree meanwhile yours was "invalid because you want to degrade the verse!"

Like I don't wanna take any sides here but at least make proper counters to the statements.

 

[Boy.Line]

They provided the reasoning for why they disagree meanwhile yours was "invalid because you want to degrade the verse!"

Like I don't wanna take any sides here but at least make proper counters to the statements.

Where's the reasoning? He literally said he wasn't going to waste time and that he disagreed.

It's one thing to disagree because there are controversies in its preparation, it's another thing to simply not want it to be approved.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Morgan is not equivalent to the gods of Olympus lol, gordof mentioned this only because she "looked strong" after the attack on the fantasy tree, but morgan only stored energy on the throne for 14 thousand years, And even took energy from his own tree, transforming it into Lost World

She is still equated to a divine spirit in scale, which would be “higher-dimensional”

still does not help you

 

[BreezeHM]

Morgan is not equivalent to the gods of Olympus lol, gordof mentioned this only because she "looked strong" after the attack on the fantasy tree, but morgan only stored energy on the throne for 14 thousand years, And even took energy from his own tree, transforming it into Lost World

My mistake, I was remembering it wrong. Yes after witnessing the Water Mirror spell, Goredolf states she's on par with Lostbelt Kings
There's also a statement of how A-Rays are comparable to nature gods, which would lead to one like Ibuki-Douji who has a direct statement of being compared to Olympian gods.

 

[Boy.Line]

Where's the reasoning? He literally said he wasn't going to waste time and that he disagreed.

It's one thing to disagree because there are controversies in its preparation, it's another thing to simply not want it to be approved.

No it is not, it is comparable to elementals and true Ancestors for being an A-ray, a partial copy of the earth that comes from the lower sea.

The fairies are equivalent to the True Ancestors.. But they only approach the gods.

 

[Wankbreaker]

No it is not, it is comparable to elementals and true Ancestors for being an A-ray, a partial copy of the earth that comes from the lower sea.

The fairies are equivalent to the True Ancestors.. But they only approach the gods.

Those links don’t work, but existence wise, TAs are considered greater than gods, to the point where Arcueid’s servant form becoming a god instead of a TA was a downgrade

 

[Boy.Line]

My mistake, I was remembering it wrong. Yes after witnessing the Water Mirror spell, Goredolf states she's on par with Lostbelt Kings
There's also a statement of how A-Rays are comparable to nature gods, which would lead to one like Ibuki-Douji who has a direct statement of being compared to Olympian gods.

I just sent this exactly to the breaker, and they don't come close to Divine spirits, they are not comparable, it is comparable to true Ancestors because it is a partial copy of Earth.

And as he said this after seeing Morgan attacking Olympus, that's why he thought he was strong, but it wasn't because she was strong that she threatened the fantasy tree.

He said this because it was thought that Rhongomyniad, with its power to destroy the Tree of Fantasy, was a 'way to combat the Alien God.

Excalibur LB6 > 12 Rhongomyniads.

The 12 that were unsealed, Castoria removed the seals before attacking all 12 simultaneously, which were connected to the spiritual lines of Morgan's throne, which had stored power for 14,000 years, in addition to drawing power from its own Tree of Fantasy. Even so, it could do nothing against Cernunnos. It couldn’t defeat him even with the 12 Rhongomyniads, all fully powered and unsealed.

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However, Excalibur LB6 succeeded because it had the divine spirit of Surtur, which was placed in Muramasa by the Alien God. This Excalibur is superior, though inferior to Surtur's NP from LB2, as he is a primordial god rather than a divine spirit, meaning it is inferior to divine spirits.

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[Boy.Line]

Those links don’t work, but existence wise, TAs are considered greater than gods, to the point where Arcueid’s servant form becoming a god instead of a TA was a downgrade

Definitely not.

 

[Boy.Line]

Those links don’t work, but existence wise, TAs are considered greater than gods, to the point where Arcueid’s servant form becoming a god instead of a TA was a downgrade

'For us, it would be something similar to 'Elemental' or 'True Ancestors.''

Although they are on a close scale to gods who personify nature, unlike gods, they do not impose 'rules' on humans.