Possible Upgrade to Pre-Crisis\ Silver Age Superman?

[BillCipher326]

I was analyzing some texts feats of Superman, and separated some to see what happens.

Most of the credits: Power Woman C.V


This feat, with his speed, Superman shatters spacetime like a fragile tissue-- http://i.imgur.com/R9Pbq3H.jpg

Superman with his super speed, almost breaking the barrier of the kingdom of God, and that would destroy endless civilizations-- http://i.imgur.com/wVyGg5X.jpg

Superman back in time at the instant of the Big Bang- http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004635-enduresentirecreation.jpg

Resist the mass of entire creation and its gravity, mass, pressure, all was nearly infinite- http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004637-enduresentirecreation2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004636-enduresentirecreation1.jpg

He inside the big bang itself (this moment,universe was formed by dawn of creation) and destroy CENTRAL pyramid- http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004639-survivesbigbang1.jpg

When PC Superman destroy pyrimid, he triggered a wave of energy that made him vanish from the universe and that made every hero disappear from the universe alongside with him, Superman still exist, PC Superman not only took a Physical explosion, even immune to time manipulation- http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004638-survivesbigbang.jpg

Pocket Verse Superboy, who far weaker than PC superman:

He channels the energies that could destroy his pocket earth or maybe his pocket Universe

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004747-lshv338-019_zps944c58cd.jpg

Even on this dying condition He is still capable of time traveling against the manipulation force of TT http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004750-lshv338-022_zpse2a35871.jpg

How powerful were this energies you might ask?

Well apparently The Time Trapper was actually capable of nullify the effects of the Anti-Monitor anti-matter destruction force of the Infinite Crisis. This means that Pocket Verse Superboy body was capable of channel those energies in order to save his world. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004746-lshv338-004_zpsd81c0c93.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3004745-lshv338-003_zps538ac7ea.jpg

So, he take a energy enough to destroy a universe.

Superman support galaxies weight: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114397/3015975-qq截图20130430173609.png

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I really like Superman, but he already is rated as MFTL+ and as being able to time-travel.

Resisting a small localised amount of the Big Bang is not Universe level.

Superman was apparently restored by humanity's belief in him. It is a symbolic trope.

I am not sure if we can gauge Pre-Crisis Superman from pocket universe Superboy, but will check out the scans.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I checked out the scans. The only feat that was relevant to a possible upgrade was the Time-Trapper's machines apparently moving a universe.

If Superboy empowered them (although I vaguely recall that he died from the strain) then that may actually be a universal feat. I am not certain however, as it would be hard to calculate.

Then again, from what I remember of John Byrne's Superman run, the Time-Trapper had destroyed all of that universe other than Krypton's and Earth's solar systems. That should have made it a very small pocket universe.

 

[BillCipher326]

Yes, and just the SUPERBOY is balanced against him.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, being nearly as physically powerful as the Time-Trapper does not automatically scale into his other powers, and seems more likely to be part of the "Did you just punch out Cthulhu" trope.

 

[BillCipher326]

No, clearly T.T punch hard:

I'm Hurty! --Superboy

They were clearly struggling seriously, that already leaves the resistance of Super in Universal

 

[BillCipher326]

Captain Atom could create a Universe, and do this.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-WBpHz3L-dVw/TieIvjW_ZhI/AAAAAAAABFc/_GzcNbZI4O8/s400/captainatom056199yp.jpg)

And Superman already wo.

 

[Antvasima]

Please read the Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics, and consider the "glass cannon" concept.

 

[BillCipher326]

So with this rule, no Pre-Crisis character could have, even, a profile here.

 

[Antvasima]

No, they can be featured, but we have to consider their feats, not extreme outliers caused by plot convenience fights between characters, especially not by scaling between different writers.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Not to mention Captain Atom is notorious for fighting at lower levels of his power in 90% of his appearances or Martian Manhunter would be Universal+.

 

[BillCipher326]

Then use only one version of just one writer of Superman?

 

[Antvasima]

No, feats are still valid, as is sufficient amount of consistency regarding how powerful characters are in comparison to each other.