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So i'll try to guess what people will say to keep this CRT short, if you disagree with my points feel free to counter. I'm a-bit wordy but please read (if you're interested).
Argument #1: Nani?! We already have calc for lower tiers, anything else is outlier!
Debunking The Argument: The feat you mean should be fodder hitting a mud summon with [Fireball ] only for it to take 2 fireballs to pulverize it. Using the pulverization value of mud as well as the known volume/size of the construct is correct, that is...until you ignore the fact that it's a living entity with levels and if you've played most RPG then you should know the composition does not matter as everything has a HP value and/or a level in this case both. From god-tiers to fodder these entities' composition is not a deciding factor for it's durability, level is what decides it, composition just plays a part. This is true for the game too:
Level 87: Primal Fire Elemental
Level 87: Primal Water Elemental
Level 87: Primal Air Elemental
Level 87: Primal Earth Elemental
Level 90: Primal Star Elemental
For example the above, you aren't fighting water of that volume, you're fighting a being with it's own stats and at one point after you've depleted it's HP you'll see it disappear.
All you have to do is be of a level to cause harm to them and your continuous attacks translate to depleting it's HP (health points) value, an example would be God tiers Mare and Aura double teaming against a fire elemental. An example of one shotting these entities due to the level gap would be Cocytus decapitating a mud summon and usually in fiction this just takes a portion of the total volume of a water/wet construct but in this verse this is a killing blow. One last thing to mention is that yes, summoned beings are alive depending on how you view life, as they are granted a portion of the summoner's knowledge/thoughts to best act if summoned, for example if the summoner was surrounded by enemies and his/her own teammates, the summoned being would know who to attack.
Argument #2: Lower tiers can hurt god tiers! Aha! Remember Entoma? Now how do you explain that, also she survived Entoma's serious blow!
Debunking The Argument: Inconsequential damage. Entoma could have ignored her but she wouldn't be unscathed and in this case the degree of damage has something we can compare to, which is Evileye who is higher in level than both Gagaran and Entoma. Using Entoma's weakness against her (bug spray spell) rather than using other spells, which is pretty much milking extra HP points from Entoma while also rendering her abilities useless as her bugs are one shotted by the spell. Even with that we had a time-skip so how many were used are unknown, if you think Gagaran's strikes can shave of even 5% of Entoma's HP then you're madman, share some of that madness
Also Entoma's serious blow cut through armor and flesh, the first blow was described to be a minor while the second strike was not and both were undodgeable by Gagaran, as it was stated that she was unable to avoid her serious blow. Then Gagaran uses her killing move against Entoma, then author goes out of his way to state she received no damage from blocking her blows and it was performed just through her physical strength.
Now that recounting those events are out of the way, Entoma is a [Entomancer] her physical abilities from that short exchange would put her above Gagaran but probably not on par with the level 33 Ainz. She uses bugs to fight for her while she uses talismans, can she oneshot Gagaran? Yes, as Tia did a suicidal move to save Gagaran from the blow of the strongest bug in Entoma's possession which was the [Thousand Lash/whips Bug], whether or not she could survive that was stated in the same sentence. Now that that's out of the way, her bugs don't scale to her in terms of durability or AP for her level, as they are one shotted by Evileye while also doing low AP for someone of her level to Tia and Gagaran, of-course this doesn't include her strongest bug (in terms of AP). Is Entoma combat oriented? She's a support type among her sisters.
Minor Argument 3: Lizardmen are fodder! Let's skip them!
Debunking The Argument: How dare you...Through a ritual/ceremony the druid's (plural) combined powers can manipulate the clouds, anything beyond that (storm generation) is above them. These tier 2 casters can do the equivalent of a single tier 4 manipulating/creating clouds.
Feat 1:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muchacho_mrm/Cloud_moving/clearing
Feat 2: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muchacho_mrm/Cloud_Creation
Yeah, i'll just head onto dreamland. I'll come back to the replies later
So i'll try to guess what people will say to keep this CRT short, if you disagree with my points feel free to counter. I'm a-bit wordy but please read (if you're interested).
Argument #1: Nani?! We already have calc for lower tiers, anything else is outlier!
Debunking The Argument: The feat you mean should be fodder hitting a mud summon with [Fireball ] only for it to take 2 fireballs to pulverize it. Using the pulverization value of mud as well as the known volume/size of the construct is correct, that is...until you ignore the fact that it's a living entity with levels and if you've played most RPG then you should know the composition does not matter as everything has a HP value and/or a level in this case both. From god-tiers to fodder these entities' composition is not a deciding factor for it's durability, level is what decides it, composition just plays a part. This is true for the game too:
Level 87: Primal Fire Elemental
Level 87: Primal Water Elemental
Level 87: Primal Air Elemental
Level 87: Primal Earth Elemental
Level 90: Primal Star Elemental
For example the above, you aren't fighting water of that volume, you're fighting a being with it's own stats and at one point after you've depleted it's HP you'll see it disappear.
All you have to do is be of a level to cause harm to them and your continuous attacks translate to depleting it's HP (health points) value, an example would be God tiers Mare and Aura double teaming against a fire elemental. An example of one shotting these entities due to the level gap would be Cocytus decapitating a mud summon and usually in fiction this just takes a portion of the total volume of a water/wet construct but in this verse this is a killing blow. One last thing to mention is that yes, summoned beings are alive depending on how you view life, as they are granted a portion of the summoner's knowledge/thoughts to best act if summoned, for example if the summoner was surrounded by enemies and his/her own teammates, the summoned being would know who to attack.
Argument #2: Lower tiers can hurt god tiers! Aha! Remember Entoma? Now how do you explain that, also she survived Entoma's serious blow!
Debunking The Argument: Inconsequential damage. Entoma could have ignored her but she wouldn't be unscathed and in this case the degree of damage has something we can compare to, which is Evileye who is higher in level than both Gagaran and Entoma. Using Entoma's weakness against her (bug spray spell) rather than using other spells, which is pretty much milking extra HP points from Entoma while also rendering her abilities useless as her bugs are one shotted by the spell. Even with that we had a time-skip so how many were used are unknown, if you think Gagaran's strikes can shave of even 5% of Entoma's HP then you're madman, share some of that madness
Also Entoma's serious blow cut through armor and flesh, the first blow was described to be a minor while the second strike was not and both were undodgeable by Gagaran, as it was stated that she was unable to avoid her serious blow. Then Gagaran uses her killing move against Entoma, then author goes out of his way to state she received no damage from blocking her blows and it was performed just through her physical strength.
Now that recounting those events are out of the way, Entoma is a [Entomancer] her physical abilities from that short exchange would put her above Gagaran but probably not on par with the level 33 Ainz. She uses bugs to fight for her while she uses talismans, can she oneshot Gagaran? Yes, as Tia did a suicidal move to save Gagaran from the blow of the strongest bug in Entoma's possession which was the [Thousand Lash/whips Bug], whether or not she could survive that was stated in the same sentence. Now that that's out of the way, her bugs don't scale to her in terms of durability or AP for her level, as they are one shotted by Evileye while also doing low AP for someone of her level to Tia and Gagaran, of-course this doesn't include her strongest bug (in terms of AP). Is Entoma combat oriented? She's a support type among her sisters.
Minor Argument 3: Lizardmen are fodder! Let's skip them!
Debunking The Argument: How dare you...Through a ritual/ceremony the druid's (plural) combined powers can manipulate the clouds, anything beyond that (storm generation) is above them. These tier 2 casters can do the equivalent of a single tier 4 manipulating/creating clouds.
Feat 1:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muchacho_mrm/Cloud_moving/clearing
Feat 2: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muchacho_mrm/Cloud_Creation
Yeah, i'll just head onto dreamland. I'll come back to the replies later
