Possible Naruto Hax Additions

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So I know there have been some Naruto revision threads being brought up lately and it's likely getting annoying or something but this doesn't concern a tier revision for them or something like that so I just decided to ask about this and get it off my mind.

So in The Last, Naruto coated his hand in chakra and made it go through Hinata's chest to bring out Toneri's Mind Control orb without injuring her. Wouldn't this count as Durability Negation for him since he could be able to do this to an opponent and bring out his internal organs or something? Also, it could count as some kind of intangibility for the same reason (being able to make his hand go through Hinata's chest). It would apply to Toneri too since he was able to do the same to Hinata when putting the orb into her.

If accepted, it might possibly apply to Hagoromo, Madara, Kaguya, Hamura and possibly Obito.

When I discussed with ProfessorKukui4Life about it, he also suggested that Naruto touching Toneri's orb without suffering any adverse effects could possibly give him some kind of Soul Manipulation since he could interact with the orb which is made of spirit energy (skeptical about this one) and resistance to Mind Manipulation as if he didn't have it, he would have gotten mind controlled by Toneri too. Dunno if this one would apply to anyone else though.

Along with the other abilities I've suggested, Toneri should also get Energy Absorption and Telepathy. His suggested abilities would apply only to Hamura since he's the only other user of the Tenseigan.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

And it begins.

 

[AppleLord]

I don't agree with the others receiving this hax without proof. Very unlikely since Ninjutsu wasn't created by Hagoromo and Kaguya is an alien. I agree with the rest.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't agree with the others receiving this hax without proof. Very unlikely since Ninjutsu wasn't created by Hagoromo and Kaguya is an alien. I agree with the rest.

What specific hax do you not agree with?

 

[AppleLord]

If accepted, it might possibly apply to Hagoromo, Madara, Kaguya, Hamura and possibly Obito.

When I discussed with ProfessorKukui4Life about it, he also suggested that Naruto touching Toneri's orb without suffering any adverse effects could possibly give him some kind of Soul Manipulation since he could interact with the orb which is made of spirit energy (skeptical about this one) and resistance to Mind Manipulation as if he didn't have it, he would have gotten mind controlled by Toneri too. Dunno if this one would apply to anyone else though.

Along with the other abilities I've suggested, Toneri should also get Energy Absorption and Telepathy. His suggested abilities would apply only to Hamura since he's the only other user of the Tenseigan.

I don't agree with this part.

 

[Omimi]

it could be Durability Negation and intangibility

 

[AppleLord]

It didn't negate the durability of someone stronger or on part with him. So no.

 

[Omimi]

what about intangibility

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

It would still be applied to him, even if someone equal or stronger can no sell it. And what makes you think it can only work on weaker beings?

IDK about Soul Manipulation but the Resistance to Mind Manipulation shouldnt have issues. The orb controls its victims through contact alone and if Naruto wasnt resistant to the hax, then Toneri would have started controlling Naruto the moment Naruto touched it after he pulled it out of Hinata. Telepathy is also guranteed as the chakra orbs allow the user (in this case Toneri) to read and control minds, absorb energy (he literally absorbed nearly all of Narutos chakra with it, why else would Sakura need to heal him?) and can even project the user as a hologram. So with this, Toneri having Telepathy shouldnt be an issue and with the orb he'd also have Mind Manipulation and Spiritual Projection.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Probably selective intangibility that's only usable in conjunction with his chakra manipulation to pull out that orb. His hand was glowing then.

We don't know if it's combat usable.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Not to mention, given the way the orb decimated Naruto, that right there would rarent a Durabilty Bypassing hax as when Naruto tried to attack Toneri the orb nullified his attack, went through his body and absorbed nearly all of Naruto's chakra despite Naruto being comparable or even stronger than Toneri.

 

[AppleLord]

Probably not. Is not in character for Naruto to rip off someone's organs.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Well given how it was required to save Hinata I'd say Naruto would use it but probably only when he absolutely needs to use it.

 

[Gemmysaur]

The orb that flew right through Naruto would definitely pass through since it absorbs chakra, evident in that it in fact did. No durability negation involved.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The orb that flew right through Naruto would definitely pass through since it absorbs chakra, evident in that it in fact did. No durability negation involved.

Doesnt energy that go through someones body count as bypassing durabilty? Because then wouldnt the energy of the orb just bounce off Naruto's body instead of going through him?

 

[Gemmysaur]

A lightning bolt doesn't stab people now does it. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

To be fair a bolt of lighting just either pierces you or shocks your insides. I dont think it can go straight through you, or rather in the orbs case, go through you and your own inner pool of energy (chakra). But I see your point and fair enough.

 

[Mobzzzzz5]

I would say that Naruto pulling the orb out of Hinata is using the partial use of his astral body like when he pulled chakra out of Kurama during their fight, I think it would be similar to that.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I dont think so since Naruto was doing that inside his mind. Unless what do you mean by "Astral Body"?

 

[Mobzzzzz5]

I dont think so since Naruto was doing that inside his mind. Unless what do you mean by "Astral Body"?

i didn't mean it like that if you haven't seen Naruto vs Kurama you wouldn't understand, basically it's his chakra body, sorry if that's the wron word

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I did see it but I dont see how his chakra body or his mind form that he was in when fighting Kurama would apply to the outside world. Unless Naruto's somehow capable of making an astral form that can act on the physical plane, which is completely speculative.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Wasn't that some sort of representation of his soul/psych or something? It is his mindscape after all. I'm unsure of that one though.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I don't agree with the others receiving this hax without proof. Very unlikely since Ninjutsu wasn't created by Hagoromo and Kaguya is an alien. I agree with the rest.

I'm not sure but what you're saying is that you don't agree with the other god tiers and Hamura getting the abilities suggested for Naruto and Toneri? If that's so, what does Naruto coating his hand with chakra have to do with ninjutsu? It's not like he used a technique. Didn't Obito do something similar when he pulled part of the Bijuu chakra out of Madara? Moreover, that's probably like saying Hagoromo or the Prime Juubi can't use a Bijuudama because it's ninjutsu. And about Hamura getting Energy Absorption and the rest like Toneri, what's wrong with that? They're abilities that the Tenseigan provides him so why wouldn't Hamura get them? It's not like Toneri developed them himself.

If this isn't what you're disagreeing with, please tell me.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Plus Toneri already showed Energy Absorbtion when he absorbed Naruto's chakra with his chakra orb. That alone should gurantee Energy Absorbtion.

 

[AppleLord]

Having fire manipulation doesn't give you control or access to lava or sun temperatures. Or Ice Manipulation giving you Absolute Zero. That's too much speculation. Bijudamma's are not Ninjutsu since they are part of Kaguya and created by aliens, not Indra.

The God Tiers didn't shown to have this techniques which are "speculative" at best. You don't even know the name of it, and now you say Hagoromo can do it? Because? If another Alien appears and has future vision or reality warping in Boruto are the God tiers gonna have this abilities as well if he eat the same fruit?

You're pushing me away from agreeing anytime soon.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Even if its not appliable to the God tiers that doesnt mean Naruto and Toneri cannot have it. They've shown feats of being able to possess these hax abilities.

 

[AppleLord]

Naruto and Toneri possessing those abilities is more reasonable.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Kk. Then thats fine. And now that I think about it, I may need to side with Apple about this not being given to the God tiers. What would be the reason for them getting it if Naruto and Toneri get it?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably selective intangibility that's only usable in conjunction with his chakra manipulation to pull out that orb. His hand was glowing then.

We don't know if it's combat usable.

I think that this interpretation seems reasonable.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Okay. But I thought Obito showed something similar against Madara. Anyway, I still don't believe that Naruto focusing chakra in his hand is a technique but more like chakra manipulation. Like when ninja add wind or lightning chakra to their blades. But I'll drop it since I don't want the thread to be longer than necessary and we should preferably conclude the topic as soon as possible.

So Durability Negation and Selective Intangibility for Naruto (it seems to have been added for Toneri because he has Limited Intangibility on his profile). What about Resistance to Mind Manipulation for Naruto for coming into contact with Toneri's orb without suffering any adverse effects?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I'm unsure of durability negation since selective/limited intangibility pretty much covers what Naruto did but the mind manipulation has been used on him when, again?

 

[AppleLord]

I agree with @Gemmysaur it seems unnecessary to add durability negation. Specially when Naruto never use it in combat, if added it will create problems and unnecessary arguments in the future. Intangibility seems good enough and it covers both.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with that we cannot list durability negation or combat use, if he has not demonstrated either.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

mind manipulation has been used on him when, again?

He should have Resistance to Mind Manipulation because he was able to remove the chakra orb that was placed inside Hinata and controlling her. And at least according to the wiki, Toneri's chakra orbs are capable of reading/controlling minds, showing spiritual projections, absorbing energy and exploding.

So we believe that Naruto should have Resistance because if he didnt, then Toneri would have started being able to control Naruto the moment Naruto pulled the orb out of Hinata. This would also grant Toneri a form of Mind Hax, telepathy, energy absorbtion, spiritual projection as well.

 

[AppleLord]

Did Toneri intended to control Naruto? Did it work on someone else besides Hinata? How do we know it was not intended for Hinata only? How do we know that Naruto's Intangibility wasn't the reason he wasn't affected by it?

I can agree with Toneri having Mind manipulation by the orb, but not so much on Naruto having resistance to it.

 

[Gemmysaur]

He didn't resist anything then. He just has a counter to it.

 

[AppleLord]

Is not really a counter, if you weren't indirectly affected, unless the chakkra coat grands immunity to it. Like Genjutsu.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Intangiblity has nothing to do with mind hax. Period. Also considering how much of a nuisance Naruto was to him in trying to get back Hinata why wouldn't he want to control him? That's one less enemy to deal with.

Also I doubt it's something intended only for Hinata or else he'd need prep making it. Toneri in base can casually make the orbs in his bare hand appear with no effort.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

No, the orb can't be specifically for Hinata. Except we want to say that other ninja will be completely unaffected by it. Isn't that the same orb that he can use for Energy Absorption and other things?

I just rewatched the scene again and Naruto used it after blocking an attack from Hinata and when his hand returned back to normal, the orb was still in his hand.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Was the orb inserted into Hinata? Then for it to work, it has to be inside? Then Naruto has no resistance to it unless we see him having it inside him.

Was it directed to Hinata's face? Then its range is pathetically tiny that Toneri has to wave it at someone's face for it to take effect.