4-B Kaguya (this is useless and I'm wasting my time 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥)

[RanaProGamer]

I gave my reasoning earlier

I mean he gave his evidence and reasoning. To him those were sufficient. Though ultimately I get what you're talking about.

Ngl, for a second I thought you might bring up the Naruto games where the ETSB straight up blows up

 

[Samlex1234]

IT Kaguya is currently 5-B, 4-C over time with ETSO by scaling to recreating the dimension. I went a step back and calculated the total energy contained in a TSO of that size.

The new results are 4-B overtime, high 5-A combat applicable.

Basically IT Kaguyas AP goes from this

To this

Or something like that, idk. Basically just swapping the current calc for the new calc

Votes:
Agree (the correct option): LordGriffin1000,

Disagree (the cringe option): Damage3245 (isn't convinced and doesn't have time to participate in the thread so idk),

Neutral (achieves nothing, just like this thread):

The lowball is 15 years for destruction and then 15 years for creation.

ETSO is just one attack that would both destroy and recreate a new dimension. Thus, divide the 15-year value by 2 at least, which would make more sense. However, that would still be a lowball.

 

[Samlex1234]

I gave my reasoning earlier



I mean he gave his evidence and reasoning. To him those were sufficient. Though ultimately I get what you're talking about.

How do you address the point that it expands over an unspecified period of time, meaning it doesn't explode from Earth but continues to grow, eventually erasing the dimension instead of simply blowing it up?

 

[karo_senpaii]

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The lowball is 15 years for destruction and then 15 years for creation.

ETSO is just one attack that would both destroy and recreate a new dimension. Thus, divide the 15-year value by 2 at least, which would make more sense. However, that would still be a lowball.

this is wrong ETSO destruction time here on the wiki is treated as having a very low time frame. Something negligible tbh.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The lowball is 15 years for destruction and then 15 years for creation.

ETSO is just one attack that would both destroy and recreate a new dimension. Thus, divide the 15-year value by 2 at least, which would make more sense. However, that would still be a lowball.

We don't know how fast each of those was. The growth could have been 14 years and creation 1, and the growth could have been 3 minutes and creation 15 years

 

[Samlex1234]

We don't know how fast each of those was. The growth could have been 14 years and creation 1, and the growth could have been 3 minutes and creation 15 years

The ETSO is a singular attack that performs two actions: it erases and then creates space instantly. The 15-year timeframe applies to the entire process of the attack, not to two separate phases. It shouldn't be interpreted as taking 14 years for one part and 1 year for another part to occur. It’s one complete action that happens in a unified manner.

A better approach would be to use the 15 year Timeframe for the attack itself and not just the required energy to destroy a Dimesion with a star but to also create it.

 

[Samlex1234]

The ETSO is a singular attack that performs two actions: it erases and then creates space instantly. The 15-year timeframe applies to the entire process of the attack, not to two separate phases. It shouldn't be interpreted as taking 14 years for one part and 1 year for another part to occur. It’s one complete action that happens in a unified manner.

A better approach would be to use the 15 year Timeframe for the attack itself and not just the required energy to destroy a Dimesion with a star but to also create it.

Think of it like this. It does not take 15 years to destroy the dimension but 15 years to set the attack up and when that is done.

I quote
“Comprised of all five elements and yin-yang, it had the power to obliterate the world and return it to nothing.”

 

[karo_senpaii]

Think of it like this. It does not take 15 years to destroy the dimension but 15 years to set the attack up and when that is done.

I quote
“Comprised of all five elements and yin-yang, it had the power to obliterate the world and return it to nothing.”

naa the 15 year time frame is just for creation. I remember the CRT by arc and it was due to the fact that she would definitely have created her moat advantages weapon "her space-times" before momo and kinshiki came. The destruction was never taken inot consideration as it was regarded as EE and discarded. THe time frame for destruction has never been under dispute and has always been assumed to happen in a relatively short time frame

 

[Samlex1234]

naa the 15 year time frame is just for creation. I remember the CRT by arc and it was due to the fact that she would definitely have created her moat advantages weapon "her space-times" before momo and kinshiki came. The destruction was never taken inot consideration as it was regarded as EE and discarded. THe time frame for destruction has never been under dispute and has always been assumed to happen in a relatively short time frame

Can you post the CRT

 

[DavidTPPM]

The ETSO is a singular attack that performs two actions: it erases and then creates space instantly.

Do you have any evidence to prove it happens instantly?

The 15-year timeframe applies to the entire process of the attack, not to two separate phases. It shouldn't be interpreted as taking 14 years for one part and 1 year for another part to occur. It’s one complete action that happens in a unified manner.

Issue is we don't know how long each phase takes

 

[Samlex1234]

Do you have any evidence to prove it happens instantly?

Issue is we don't know how long each phase takes

The timeframe for the feat is no longer relevant, as the energy contained within the attack itself is sufficient to accomplish both tasks. By considering 15 years as the duration needed to gather this energy, we eliminate the need to account for any specific timeframes in the execution of the feat.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The timeframe for the feat is no longer relevant, as the energy contained within the attack itself is sufficient to accomplish both tasks. By considering 15 years as the duration needed to gather this energy, we eliminate the need to account for any specific timeframes in the execution of the feat.

The timeframe doesn't affect the energy within the ball but it affects the combat applicable energy. Basically, the longer the timeframe the less energy Kaguya can output per second.

 

[Samlex1234]

The timeframe doesn't affect the energy within the ball but it affects the combat applicable energy. Basically, the longer the timeframe the less energy Kaguya can output per second.

Calculate the amount of energy she puts into the ball per second.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Calculate the amount of energy she puts into the ball per second.

Already did that in the calc. That's where the high 5-A value comes from lol

 

[Samlex1234]

Already did that in the calc. That's where the high 5-A value comes from lol

You did not include the energy for the creation is what I'm saying. As both energy is contained in the same Orb

 

[HelloThere1089]

The energy for creation wouldn't amount to much since the energy pumped to so huge.

 

[Floxy178]

You did not include the energy for the creation is what I'm saying. As both energy is contained in the same Orb

So you want to do like this?

(Energy to expand ETSO to erase dimension + energy to recreate it) / 15 years

I kinda disagree with it, since energy inside ETSO also could be used after erasing dimension. Like after erasing everything, I doubt that ETSO will just stay like that, probably energy inside of it would also play a role in creation.

 

[HelloThere1089]

So you want to do like this?

(Energy to expand ETSO to erase dimension + energy to recreate it) / 15 years

I kinda disagree with it, since energy inside ETSO also could be used after erasing dimension. Like after erasing everything, I doubt that ETSO will just stay like that, probably energy inside of it would also play a role in creation.

That is precisely what the ETSO is stated to do too. The energy pumped inside is what's going to destroy and recreate both. No need to calculate separately. I agree.

 

[Floxy178]

As both energy is contained in the same Orb

I just realized, if you think that ball already contains that energy inside, then everything is ok as what David got is overall energy in ETSO.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Just to clarify, the energy calced by David isn't the energy that is required to destroy the dimension. It's the energy stored in ETSO. Also the calc isn't fixed yet.

 

[Samlex1234]

That is precisely what the ETSO is stated to do too. The energy pumped inside is what's going to destroy and recreate both. No need to calculate separately. I agree.

Oh okay. Are you saying the energy in the orb as of now is capable of both actions?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Oh okay. Are you saying the energy in the orb as of now is capable of both actions?

Yes. That's how the jutsu is described at least. The energy calculated is more than what's required to nuke the dimension anyway.

Edit: minor correction.

 

[Samlex1234]

Yes. That's how the jutsu is described at least. The energy calculated is more than what's required to nuke to dimension anyway.

Alright I rest my case. I agree David

 

[Floxy178]

Also the calc isn't fixed yet.

David's NOT going to change distance to radius

 

[DavidTPPM]

David's NOT going to change distance to radius

Uhhhh I'm lazy and the thread isn't getting any staff traction. If some mod pops up and gives their thoughts I will fix the radius.
(it's not super relevant since it doesn't change the tier anyway)

 

[Samlex1234]

Uhhhh I'm lazy and the thread isn't getting any staff traction. If some mod pops up and gives their thoughts I will fix the radius.
(it's not super relevant since it doesn't change the tier anyway)

How would you not be lazy? - Stop creating multiple threads and focus on one

Code fights another swordsman|Code vs Mira (0-7-1) - GRACE OVER

Code didn't learn his lesson after fighting Boruto and challenged another swordsman (swordswoman?). Will he finally catch a W or will his losing streak continue? Speed is equalized Limiters removed Code is used World Competition Mira is used Code scales to 10.14 Zettatons Mira scales to 7.25...

vsbattles.com

 

[DavidTPPM]

How would you not be lazy? - Stop creating multiple threads and focus on one

Code fights another swordsman|Code vs Mira (0-7-1) - GRACE OVER

Code didn't learn his lesson after fighting Boruto and challenged another swordsman (swordswoman?). Will he finally catch a W or will his losing streak continue? Speed is equalized Limiters removed Code is used World Competition Mira is used Code scales to 10.14 Zettatons Mira scales to 7.25...

vsbattles.com

Okay but that's a fun easy thread with no responsibilities. I don't need to gather staff members and do math for that

 

[HelloThere1089]

Uhhhh I'm lazy

Real

and the thread isn't getting any staff traction. If some mod pops up and gives their thoughts I will fix the radius.

Have you messaged more mods?

(it's not super relevant since it doesn't change the tier anyway)

Math is the most important part of a calc. . Anyways, you can message mods here:

Staff members

vsbattles.com

 

[HelloThere1089]

David's NOT going to change distance to radius

Bro is dead set

 

[DavidTPPM]

Have you messaged more mods?

Nah just 2 or so. I'm really lazy af lmao

Math is the most important part of a calc. .

Uhhh ig, but fixing such a minor mistake is secondary to getting the method itself accepted.

Anyways, you can message mods here:

Staff members

vsbattles.com

Yeah ik how to message mods, I already did a bunch of CRTs in the past.
I mean you can contact them as well if you want

 

[Samlex1234]

Cha

Nah just 2 or so. I'm really lazy af lmao

Uhhh ig, but fixing such a minor mistake is secondary to getting the method itself accepted.

Yeah ik how to message mods, I already did a bunch of CRTs in the past.
I mean you can contact them as well if you want

change the math first and I will do that

 

[HelloThere1089]

Yeah ik how to message mods, I already did a bunch of CRTs in the past.

I know you have. I linked it cuz you're lazy af. Like you said.

I mean you can contact them as well if you want

Nah. All I care about is the math. But you won't fix it till you get mods.

 

[Stryker861]

Bump?

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

So what are the current arguments for both side? Just to lay everything out

 

[Samlex1234]

So what are the current arguments for both side? Just to lay everything out

Read through the pages

 

[HelloThere1089]

Lmao

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Bump

 

[Stryker861]

Bump

 

[Stryker861]

The idea that if a fist sized TSB has forest level energy, then a Sun sized one has 4-B energy? I think it's fine in theory, but I'm kinda waiting for the opposition to make their arguments before I commit to an official vote.

Not sure if you updated your vote but since there's been no counter arguments are you fine with the thread

 

[DavidTPPM]

RAAAAAH I fixed the math, all that's needed now is 2 more staff member approvals