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4-B Kaguya (this is useless and I'm wasting my time 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥)
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HelloThere1089
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1 more should be enough I think. Right?RAAAAAH I fixed the math, all that's needed now is 2 more staff member approvals
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As long as Damage disagrees we need at least 2 more
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Did Damage post his debunk?
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Not a debunk exactly; I just didn't think there was a solid basis for Kaguya's ETSO to have the same "chakra density" as the Truth-Seeking Orbs created by Naruto & Obito. Obito showed the ability to greatly increase the size of his TSO's with the constructs he created without any suggestion that he was making them massively more powerful as a result. Kaguya expanding the size of her ETSO doesn't necessarily imply that she's putting in proportional amounts of chakra to volume every second, and that she'd do this for 15 years straight consistently. It seems to me that the method in the OP depends on some generous assumptions.
HelloThere1089
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I don't think there's a rule like that. The minimum is 2 votes and it should be in the majority to get approved. There's no rule that states there has to be a 2 point lead. Unless I'm mistaken.
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2 is the bare minimum for non controversial changes. A change with staff disapproval imo doesn't fall under that category.
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Well I don't think 1 staff disagreement makes this controversial and I've seen other CRTs pass through without a 2 point difference, but as you wish.
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I mean the nonuboku sword is actually massively stronger than his other balls
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Oh yeah, Obito’s TSB went from 200 Teratons which were battling KCM Sage Mode Naruto and Senjutsu Susano’o to 183 Petatons TSB with the Nunoboku which has surface wiping statements, the ETSB being on a different level isn’t far fetched
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When did we see the inside?
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In CFYOW.
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The bigger issue is that it's not an assumption that Kaguya doesn't make her balls bigger by stretching them.
It's an assumption to say she does. The entire argument is just making a claim and trying to shift the burden of proof to me.
Imagine I tried to use Damages interpretation that Kaguya stretches out the TSO to destroy the dimension to calculate the KE of it. I would get hit with "prove Kaguya moves the TSO and doesn't just expand it like the name implies".
The argument is the same as if we saw someone destroy a planet and said "well you can't prove the planets wasn't made out of cotton candy so you can't say destroying it is planet level"
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Like I already said before. The ability is called EXPANSIVE Truth Seeking orb. It's stated to be identical to the TSO behind Naruto (which are not stretched out), just bigger. Its stated that it's "expanding mass is filled to the brim". It's stated it contains the power to turn the dimension into nothing.
All of these statements directly imply if not outright prove the balls density stays the same.
Meanwhile there's literally no implication that Kaguya directly changes the shape of the ball and either moves it around or just stretches it out to achieve the dimensions destruction. That is a completely baseless assumption that doesn't require counter evidence to prove wrong simply because there's no evidence implying it's true to begin with
All of these statements directly imply if not outright prove the balls density stays the same.
Meanwhile there's literally no implication that Kaguya directly changes the shape of the ball and either moves it around or just stretches it out to achieve the dimensions destruction. That is a completely baseless assumption that doesn't require counter evidence to prove wrong simply because there's no evidence implying it's true to begin with
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Chapter 669
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That was just Madara changing the shape of his TSOs into a spherical barrier to protect himself. That's not the TSO in its natural form.
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Sup slayer, have you decided on your vote?
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The silence is LOUD
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Aight bet
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I see that this could be useful, but the 4-C that we have for Kaguya would be like the creation of a dimension with a star, while the 4-B would be total destruction
Although it would still seem a bit exaggerated to me that the Gudoudama is 4-B (Although the method convinces me too much :'v)
Although it would still seem a bit exaggerated to me that the Gudoudama is 4-B (Although the method convinces me too much :'v)
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?. 4B is not an exaggeration.
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I understand myself, don't worry xD (It's just that PERSONALLY I scale to Adult Naruto > ETSB Kaguya /Don't pay attention to me/)
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Based on my personal beliefs one our standards for feats like this and the context of Naruto scaling, I agree with the OP.
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I believe this has enough votes to be accepted and applied
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I'll switch to neutral. I'm not stubborn enough to be the lone dissension if multiple staff members think that this is valid.
You can apply it.
Though I may revisit it at a future date if I discover a better alternative.
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Great, thank you for being reasonable.
Now what I need is someone to open Kaguya's profile for me real quick
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I'm tentatively fine with it, I think.
I'm not like totally 1000% convinced, but I don't really have any true argument against this either. So, given that I have no real reason to disagree, I guess I gotta agree lol.
We have a known energy value for the standard TSB. We know the ETSB is X-times bigger. We know it expands, doesn't stretch. And there's no reason to assume its density or composition are different, really. So yeah.
The only thing I actually disagree with is the 'Energy/second' value, but that wasn't really introduced in this thread, so I won't waste time on it.
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Thank you all for your valuable input. I really appreciate it, knowing how busy everyone is. David, there’s your answer—we’ve achieved success!
Thus, this was not useless and you didn’t waste your time.
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Actually I didn't say it's useless and a waste of time because I thought it will get rejected.
But because the ETSO values are barely usable in actual combat situations and basically just serve as a trophy in the profile.
At least for now that is.
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