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Is this good enough?Well, there's not much of an evidence of power growth in Mario
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Is this good enough?Well, there's not much of an evidence of power growth in Mario
She's talked about the canon split earlier too, it is better to not wait for that thread as we don't know when it will happen, and this one deals with a different topic altogether.Considering Impress' thread would probably take precedence over this one, and she's told me it should happen within a week or two, I should probably just lock this. And I'm not really trying to start anything, it's just factual that he was banned for those reasons.
there was also the wario land genie creating a planetRosalina does mention power stars as being able to create planets as well if that hasnt been brought up. But thats the only thing i can think of for tier 5besides cloud dispersing in wario land
I did. This post wasn't supposed to help keep Tier 3, it was just mainly their to argue against all the anti-feats.Did you actually read what you sent?
You said these stuffs can argue against the anti-feats but literally almost all this feats here are tier 8 and tier 9 and I think one possibly tier 7 if calculated.
So how is that supposed to help keep the tier 3?
You do know the difference between tier 7 and tier 3 is in quadrillions? Or you don’t understand what the OP is saying??
There are consistent tier 7 to tier 9 feats, which is way less than the tier 3 that they are currently rated as.
DC/Marvel have a specific, unique set of scaling rules, do not compare them to other verses, not to mention most characters there tend to hold back their power.Y'all often says that staggering or slightly hurting isn't enough to scale, especially for comic books. Why is it enough to be an anti feat here?
No UES. Planet is also very small.there was also the wario land genie creating a planet
No UES. Planet is also very small.
I clearly ******* did read them. Why else would would I post them smart guy? Also, stop acting like your blog is so immune to being debunkedNero, you are posting entire, very long blogs that don't really counteract mine at all and to be quite frank I am starting to think you have not read them, and I would very kindly ask you to stop doing it because you waste a lot of my time with things that barely relate to the subject at hand.
No... it isn't. I literally mention basically nothing of what it includes.
Gee i wonder why he would ever try to swim out of lava aggressively while looking incredibly discomforted by the situation.
Addressed in blog already, will ignore from now on.
Non-argument.
"Writers aren't making this shit with VS in their mind which is why we should ignore all anti-feats and base ratings on the absolute highest ends"
I don't care for what purpose they were written, we have a specific set of standards and we apply them to everything. You have made this argument several times already, with literally zero variation.
Show them. Show me a specific instance of that happening or stop mentioning it.
I'll stop "acting like I'm all fact" when you make actual arguments against mine instead of just trying to appeal to a vague "common" sense that this wiki doesn't subscribe to.
Oh gee, I don't know, maybe it has to do with graphic limitations?No UES. Planet is also very small.
******* THANK YOUBringing up other series that would need to be downgraded the same way is a legitimate argument. It's calling out blatant hypocrisy, and how only franchises like Mario are affected by this because they're simply bigger and more noticeable
It's not immune to being debunked, that doesn't mean any attempt at doing so will pass.I clearly ******* did read them. Why else would would I post them smart guy? Also, stop acting like your blog is so immune to being debunked
And it does that by trying to disprove them with feats, which doesn't work here given that i have brought way more anti-feats than featsIt literally does. It literally mentions general anti-feats you listed such as getting hurt from falling, Bowser almost "dying" to a castle falling.
No, he's pretty clearly in pain.Gee I dunno, maybe he's angrily trying to make a last attempt to kill Mario but failing just because?
Peak debatingCool whatever
It is an argument
No? Not even close, we try to find accurate power levels.Yeah, isn't that what VS debaters do?
Brother you have been insulting me (and this entire community) for a dozen or so posts, I don't think you get to speak on me getting mildly snippy.And honestly, I am trying to make arguments, and yes I am using common sense as a basis. But your head's too far up your ass to listen. And love how you basically admitted to being a big ol know it all. Then again, what can I expect from this place.
Prove it or no argumentOh gee, I don't know, maybe it has to do with graphic limitations?
Well you're the one trying to debunk the blog, so why don't you do that? Because I actually have a pretty decent idea of the feats that exist, and I don't think they're enough.Also instead of using anti-feats why don't y'all actually researching the series for feats that balance/cancel the "anti-feats" out.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure will passIt's not immune to being debunked, that doesn't mean any attempt at doing so will pass.
And it does that by trying to disprove them with feats, which doesn't work here given that i have brought way more anti-feats than feats
No, he's pretty clearly in pain.
Peak debating
No? Not even close, we try to find accurate power levels.
Brother you have been insulting me (and this entire community) for a dozen or so posts, I don't think you get to speak on me getting mildly snippy.
Prove it or no argument
I have been trying to do that with threads that bring up alot of feats. Typing them all out would just take a lot of time so that's why I resort to blog posts.Well you're the one trying to debunk the blog, so why don't you do that? Because I actually have a pretty decent idea of the feats that exist, and I don't think they're enough.
Since you insulted me thrice in one post, I have reported you in the RVR thread. If you believe your behavior in this thread was fair, you should defend yourself there.And besides, you've been acting like that beforehand from what I've seen.
UES?DC/Marvel have a specific, unique set of scaling rules, do not compare them to other verses, not to mention most characters there tend to hold back their power.
Not to mention, basically everything I've listed is at the very minimum causes screams of pain or leaves characters dazed/visibly hurt, that would be considered viable under almost all circumstances
No UES. Planet is also very small.
My guy you deadass just reported me? Fine I'll go thereSince you insulted me thrice in one post, I have reported you in the RVR thread. If you believe your behavior in this thread was fair, you should defend yourself there.
Universal energy system.UES?
Out of curiosity what's definition of it?Universal energy system.
It's the classic "I do this feat and my other stats scale to that"Out of curiosity what's definition of it?
At least on that case.
Perhaps consider that we have discussed the possibility of revising other verses that we see these issues in sometime in the future. I would also ask you to consider that we don't have infinite time on our hands and are thus incapable of researching every single verse out there. I might even beg you to ponder the thought that we may not be knowledgeable enough of other verses to address issues like this if they do exist.Bringing up other series that would need to be downgraded the same way is a legitimate argument. It's calling out blatant hypocrisy, and how only franchises like Mario are affected by this because they're simply bigger and more noticeable
The reason he may come off as acting as if his blog is immune to being debunked is that you have failed to make any point that actually debunks it.I clearly ******* did read them. Why else would would I post them smart guy? Also, stop acting like your blog is so immune to being debunked
But Mario also consistently gets away with much more than other franchises. There's not really any hypocrisy in it getting a downgrade here, and if anything, it getting a downgrade could potentially lead to a dominant effect of other verses having stats made more fitting.Bringing up other series that would need to be downgraded the same way is a legitimate argument. It's calling out blatant hypocrisy, and how only franchises like Mario are affected by this because they're simply bigger and more noticeable
Honestly, depending on how you skew this, wouldn't the statement of the Mario characters being a "troupe of actors" completely ******* destroy and invalidate all the scaling and feats of the series via them all being... plays?Is this good enough?
(Late) Here, here, Mario being able to defeat Royal Sticker Bowser first phase in Sticker Star when he couldn't even touch him without getting defeat in the beginning, and Mario being able to fight against an amped Star Rod Bowser when he originally gets one tapped by him in the beginning, and this was before he used the Star Sprites against Bowser. Also Lubba mentions that Bowser was getting stronger after the second encounter with him, meaning that Mario had to get stronger as well to match him.Well, there's not much of an evidence of power growth in Mario
These are individual examples of him getting stronger to match someone.... in individual games. Not across the ENTIRE FRANCHISE like Kirby does. Again, in the first couple Kirby games he was only around moon/planet level, midway through the series he was consistently in the solar system range, and later on in the series was consistently galaxy and uni to uni+ range. Mario doesn't have that same consistent series wide escalation, which is what people were talking about.(Late) Here, here, Mario being able to defeat Royal Sticker Bowser first phase in Sticker Star when he couldn't even touch him without getting defeat in the beginning, and Mario being able to fight against an amped Star Rod Bowser when he originally gets one tapped by him in the beginning, and this was before he used the Star Sprites against Bowser. Also Lubba mentions that Bowser was getting stronger after the second encounter with him, meaning that Mario had to get stronger as well to match him.
I think it's true that the RPGs typically portray a growth in power (I think PM64 does this notably too), the issue is that this often ends up being inconsistent with the series at large. Say, someone like Kamek or Peach, or the Koopalings, never really go under the same training or experience that would cause Mario or Bowser to become stronger while ultimately remaining on the same relative power level to them. I recall there being other contradictions too.(Late) Here, here, Mario being able to defeat Royal Sticker Bowser first phase in Sticker Star when he couldn't even touch him without getting defeat in the beginning, and Mario being able to fight against an amped Star Rod Bowser when he originally gets one tapped by him in the beginning, and this was before he used the Star Sprites against Bowser. Also Lubba mentions that Bowser was getting stronger after the second encounter with him, meaning that Mario had to get stronger as well to match him.
This can easily be explained still from the fact that the plot of the game requires Mario to grow in power to face his enemies, while in other games it requires said power level to be the same through all the story.I think it's true that the RPGs typically portray a growth in power (I think PM64 does this notably too), the issue is that this often ends up being inconsistent with the series at large. Say, someone like Kamek or Peach, or the Koopalings, never really go under the same training or experience that would cause Mario or Bowser to become stronger while ultimately remaining on the same relative power level to them. I recall there being other contradictions too.
Bump. One thing to note though is that sunshine explicitly takes place after 64 and bowser jr was completely new to mario and peach in that game. So any game with bowser jr in it can safely be assumed to take place after sunshine and 64.If this thread is gonna downgrade the tier 3 and 4 ratings, the cast is oc gonna need a specific new tier.
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