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We can debate the legitimacy of your evidence later, but aside from that, is this accurate?
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Pokemon God Revision- Yes its Arceus (And minor stuff for Unown)
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Sniper670
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Let me break it down for you. Seems you didn't bother to read the op nor the thread in its entirety
Arceus's plates have the Essence of ALL creation. Don't you know what essence means? Let me spell it out to you
Plus, the powers of the plates are bestowed upon Pokémon who are born.
Guy A is giving everyone powers he has from the Essence of All things. Guy A scales.
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It's simple
Before I begun this CRT, the first thing I did was to point out that this thread was to address things other than moves. Because limiting his plates to moves alone is arbitrary
As an Omnipotent being in his verse(which is the Original Setting of Arceus) , and going by the lore surrounding his plates, as having the Essence of everything/ Power of Everything, and it's powers being given to all Pokémon, it's only logical that he gets all powers other Pokémon can use
If you have a problem, go and revise the power bestowal page
Before I begun this CRT, the first thing I did was to point out that this thread was to address things other than moves. Because limiting his plates to moves alone is arbitrary
As an Omnipotent being in his verse(which is the Original Setting of Arceus) , and going by the lore surrounding his plates, as having the Essence of everything/ Power of Everything, and it's powers being given to all Pokémon, it's only logical that he gets all powers other Pokémon can use
If you have a problem, go and revise the power bestowal page
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this CRT is just a rehash of the one that was rejected.
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Your whole argument is extrapolating off of vague statements that have very simple and shown meanings that you're just wanking to the atmosphere.
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bruh did do read that post before you hit send?
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I am a new visitor to this wiki, can you provide the source, from where this wiki received DeepL?
Sniper670
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Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)
This is a thread for requesting translations from foreign languages from other members of this community. However, take note that it has to be important for the purpose of figuring out proper statistics ratings, and similar issues relating to our work on improving the quality of this wiki...
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Ayo, if you ask like that, he might will give up his life long fortune.
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I don't appreciate being called a a Goon who "exists to downplay everything into oblivion". Which is especially funny given I've supported most Pokemon upgrades.
I don't object to Arceus having every move, even if half the moves are just more of the same shit (spark, thunderbolt, thunder/fire spin, flamethrower, fire blast, blast burn etc etc). I object to Arceus who's God having a bunch of overly redundant abilities that he shouldn't have by his very nature.
For example, why would Arceus have Cryogonal's regen ability when no one in the verse can even harm him? He's not made out of water, he's a nonexistent, transdual abstract deity.
None of the evidence remotely comes close to saying "Arceus has every pokemon ability" they all refer to his specific and unique ability to use every type which are basically the essence of creation. Arceus shouldn't';t have Klutz because he can wield plates, Arceus shouldn't have slow start or huge power given he's omnipresent and the strongest being in the whole verse which makes stat boosting abilities entirely irrelevant to him. With the evidence you've provided, which lacks a direct statement and any featsof him having other pokemon abilities, combined with the fact every single one of them are entirely irrelevant to him given his position in the verse, he shouldn't have them. It's that simple.
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Cryogonal regen stems from a normal Type move "Recover", which regenerates cells
His physiology is not a power. His ability to regen is a power Arceus has, from the essence of his plates
And this is about Arceus, not the Original Spirit
Because
1. He's God
2. Omnipotent
3. Lore says he has the power of everything, complementing his omnipotence
4. He's been using his powers for many things beyond moves. Every single appearance outside of game mechanics
5. No one scales to him, nor would he have to use the stupid amount of powers in the cosmology. But he's been shown to be able to do anything that is demanded and going by lore, yes. For instance in PLA, he deadass can inflict status condition regardless of Type, a more broken version of the ability Corrosion, an ability he never possessed, can cut HP, refill, HP and PP and more. how can he do those ? Because he's God.
It's more of a leap to say a power in the cosmology is something he cannot do, than to say he can.
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Literally sounds like you just made that up on the spot.
10/10 argument
Omnipotent God struggles with meteor
the context of these statements refers to the plates and the types of Pokemon, which are the essence of creation. Not having a bunhc of completely redundant abilities God never uses, needs, or should have.
Show me when he's used any other Pokemon ability outside of multitype.
going off your interpretation of the lore, which I think is almost entirely unsubstantiated and stems from an almost "worshipper" view on the character.
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even if he COULD use every Pokemon ability, he'd be limited to doing them on the same level as what they've shown to do. You can't prove Azumaril's Huge Power could double Arceus' low 1-C AP.
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There is literally 0 difference between them when Arceus is concerned. even his "ember" should effectively solo the verse.
Sniper670
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He transcends all Pokémon, would deadass stomp Rayquaza who can casually neg a star.Omnipotent God struggles with meteor
It's plot induced stupidity which has 0 effect on the game avatar of the OS
Abilities that stem from Pokémon being Pokémon and being given powers of the plates
Are you saying a Pokémon ability to summon rain is entirely independent of the powers Arceus bestowed them?
Prove it
A more busted version of Corrosion
And the same lore says God has every power.
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"Typings" are things scientists invented to categorize Pokémon.
If Scientists didn't do that then going by your logic Arceus won't get anything at all because there's no "Type". Lol
Humans are not Pokémon, and yet they use psychic Powers. Are they a psychic Type? No. But that didn't stop Arceus from allowing them to use it
If Scientists didn't do that then going by your logic Arceus won't get anything at all because there's no "Type". Lol
Humans are not Pokémon, and yet they use psychic Powers. Are they a psychic Type? No. But that didn't stop Arceus from allowing them to use it
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I will also one point out that the quote says Pokemon, yet this thread is also giving Arceus the powers of non-pokemon.
1. If humans gain their powers from the plates, then why did Arceus have to directly give humans powers in the Hoopa movie? Shouldn’t they automatically have them at birth?
2. If humans powers come from the plates, then why did human powers work on Arceus? If their abilities came from the psychic plate, then Arceus’s plate would have automatically blocked that ability because he still had the psychic plate in his possession.
1. If humans gain their powers from the plates, then why did Arceus have to directly give humans powers in the Hoopa movie? Shouldn’t they automatically have them at birth?
2. If humans powers come from the plates, then why did human powers work on Arceus? If their abilities came from the psychic plate, then Arceus’s plate would have automatically blocked that ability because he still had the psychic plate in his possession.
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1. Here. Plus humans and Pokemon used to be the same. More proof that the entire multiverse is literally connected to the plates ad not just Pokemon
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Here is the translation. i was giving from the official translation thread:
“When the Pokémon are born, the powers of the Plates are distributed”
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and none of that meaning implies what you're claiming it does.
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that didn’t answer my questions
there is also the official french, german, and italian versions that talk about the powers of the plates being given to only Arceus.
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Guys, is that much of a deal if Arceus gets the powers of even nom-pokémon? We have guaranteed that it gets all the Pokémon ones, but non-pokémon sounds a stretch even for me tbf.
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1. Erveryone has psychic powers, they just don't know it
2. Pokémon and humans used to be the same
This answers your question.
The official French version says the plates have Infinite powers.
And I think that answers our questions and this thread should be closed.
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Dark Matter, various machines and so on.
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We all live in a Pokemon world.
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Based on Gyros recommendations, I excluded that. There's no power I included that had anything to do with that.
Machines? I do believe Arceus can conjure any tech to do his bidding if he wanted to. Afterall, the being who has dominion over all knowledge is an aspect of him
Pokémon and humans are intertwined going by lore, since they were the same beings before who knows what happened . So human powers will not be excluded.
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1. So why did Arceus have to give the humans in the hoopa movie their powers directly
2. Why didn’t the psychic plate block human’s psychic powers that were shown to work on Arceus
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