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I'll put @Executor_N0 explanation here:Well, I do not remember anymore, so it would be good if you and @Moritzva both write an explanation post each, after which I can call for the other staff members who have evaluated these threads.
Thank you.
Sniper recently wrote another post explaining what he changed better, in case you missed it while typing it. If it still doesn't change anything, that's fine.It's approaching Christmas for me and I've been spending lots of time with family; this is why these types of threads are problematic. By repeatedly reposting the same thread and never actually explaining why it is different, Sniper is simply rerolling the previous thread until the opposition isn't around anymore.
Now don't go around removing contextHe also admitted that it was "sort of" a repeat of the past thread,
Yes, I'll admit it's more or less a repeat of last thread... Sort of. The main argument, which people missed was basically that I was connecting moves and abilities and showing why they're intertwined and should not be excluded from moves. That was the purpose of this thread.
I'm not concerned.and I am being asked to reiterate my points from the last thread. If I am being asked to reiterate the arguments from the past thread (which went on for an unholy amount of time, and I'd need to spend quite a lot of effort going through it again), then it is definitely a repeat.
Most staff accepted it, sans Mori.So what are the staff conclusions, and what still needs to be applied, here then?
Nah ah. We'll not reverse changes 5 staff agreed to just to satisfy 1 staff.Repeating a thread over and over until you get a conclusion you want is a horrible idea. This is a ridiculous precedent to allow, and all changes should be reverted on these grounds.
I explained, you ignored, you kept repeating the same thing. A thread that should've been concluded a month ago is still alive.None of that counters my points in the slightest.
I disagree with these underhanded tactics and I refuse to engage with them. Simple as that.
Underhanded?As I mentioned you'll never get outerversal level accepted by multiple staff if your scans show Multiverse level feats, whether you made the thread 20 times will not change the fact that it just don't qualify
@DontTalkDTWell, can somebody remind me which staff members rejected the previous thread and which ones accepted this one please? If several reliable staff members think that this one is reliable it seems inappropriate to just suddenly overrule them.
No. He disagrees.Wait a minute. If DontTalk, who is our most intelligent and levelheaded staff member, thinks that this revision is acceptable to apply, that seems very reliable.
5 accepted this threadHowever, didn't somebody say that five staff members accepted this thread rather than five?
In fact, Iamunanimousinthat lost the last thread.I personally believe this thread should be closed and rejected, if it is merely a repetition of previously rejected points.
The previous thread was made by Iam, and was concerning this same topic, except with Iam as the OP and Sniper presenting these same points against it.Wait a minute. If DontTalk, who is our most intelligent and levelheaded staff member, thinks that this revision is acceptable to apply, that seems very reliable.
However, didn't somebody say that five staff members accepted this thread rather than five?
Oh, my apologies then. And which staff members are that exactly
The previous thread was made by Iam, and was concerning this same topic, except with Iam as the OP and Sniper presenting these same points against it.
It is also worth noting that a lot of people ended up disagreeing with Iam (including me), but not because of Sniper's reasoning, as Cal also disagreed but for different reasons. So, there are going to be more people who disagreed with Sniper, but agreed with Cal.
You keep missing the pointThese confusing issues are why repeat threads are bad form.
The existence of this thread is to link all powers as usable by Arceus.
The last thread, under Iamunanimousinthat authority, limited it to moves only, which is questionable imo, especially when the lore never made such restrictions
Okay. I will ask all of the involved staff members for input help in lack of better options.The previous thread was made by Iam, and was concerning this same topic, except with Iam as the OP and Sniper presenting these same points against it.
It is also worth noting that a lot of people ended up disagreeing with Iam (including me), but not because of Sniper's reasoning, as Cal also disagreed but for different reasons. So, there are going to be more people who disagreed with Sniper, but agreed with Cal.
These confusing issues are why repeat threads are bad form.
@DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus @GyroNutz @Elizhaa @Maverick_Zero_X @Executor_N0 @FinePoint @The_real_cal_howardI'll put @Executor_N0 explanation here:
"So, the way I see it the relationship between Arceus, the plates and Pokémon, in general, can be very vague.
First of all, I agree that Arceus as the original Heart that is all-encompassing should have all abilities as that version of Arceus is collectively all of existence combined and every single being is just a manifestation of a possibility that it already encompassed. So when talking about myths and similar things, I think that Arceus could include every possibility in the Pokémon world because Arceus is everything.
In regards to the avatars and plates in general, it's strange because the lore is strange. A lot of times when they are discussed it's talked about as if there was a single set of Plates. Of course, in the 12th Arceus recovering the plates was a big thing, the same with the HG/SS manga and in a way even Legends Arceus... and yet the plates still exist somewhere else and multiple of them are confirmed to exist at the same time.
For the anime, while the Draco and Splash Plates were being used in the Jewel of Life, it was also being used by Team Galatic in order to get the Spear Key. While the Jewel of Life was still a thing and Arceus was mad at humans, Arceus still should have helped the people at the Arche Valley not only sharing part of its power but directly leading the power of the Plates, including the Splash Plate, to seal Hoopa. And this isn't even counting that now Arceus showed the Fairy Plate and for some reason, Team Galatic was in control over the Flame Plate in the recent Arceus' special.
And this isn't even considering the games that showed multiple plates existing at the same time and even being acknowledged, with the ones in the Abyssal Ruins
being directly mentioned not only in gameplay but also in the Pokémon Mystery Files on the "I Love Pokémon Club".
The truth is that the physical manifestations of Arceus and the Plates are full of vagueness and sometimes clear plotholes that not only contradict the settings but even the story itself. Because for some reason Arceus was mad at the Jewel of Life and couldn't use their powers... yet Arceus still was using it to seal Hoopa and Team Galatic used the same plates in the Jewel of Life. Even not considering the anime, the games themselves also make a lot of use of "there are multiple plates", even with that being illogical with all the lore and whole propose for the Legend Arceus post-game.
In the end, I feel that anything in regards to the physical manifestation of Arceus is only there as a plot excuse from the eyes of Arceus itself, as in the Arceus' special they showed how easily Arceus could get the Flame Plate, and yet Arceus allowed the humans to work on that because Arceus "doesn't act and only wants the better for humanity and Pokémon", the same feeling given in the manga.
So, I can definitely see Arceus as a whole being able to use every power and the Plates having something to do with the creation of the universe and the powers every Pokémon has, although the physical manifestation and the plates sometimes have contradictory depictions even inside the same media, so if necessary I wouldn't be totally against a note acknowledging the contradictions even if we address that the contradictions and limitations seems to now be explained as "Arceus just wanted to test mankind and the Pokémon"
That's weird. You were called multiple times before the new staff reached an agreement.I was literally not even made aware of this thread until after it already passed.
@DontTalkDT
@Moritzva
@Maverick_Zero_X
@Dereck03
@SamanPatou (though he said he didn't want spoilers from Legends Arceus before, not sure if he has played it yet to be able to comment)
@CloverDragon03 (was called to the thread but didn't comment)
@Everything12 (has already expressed to be neutral)
@LordGriffin1000 (though he didn't comment on the thread itself and was moderating it mainly)
@DontTalkDT @Moritzva @Maverick_Zero_X @Dereck03 @CloverDragon03 @LordGriffin1000 @Elizhaa @Agnaa Your help here in evaluating this thread would be appreciated.
@DontTalkDT , @Moritzva , @Agnaa
Moritzva and Agnaa are unavailable atm
I'll recommend those who participated in the creator gods thread.
Also try getting @Elizhaa too.