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I mean I’m not saying it for no reason. Nor did I say anything wrong. It’s photons or beam of light is enough with further context.
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Pokemon: Final Evolutions Speed CRT
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The page was updated basing on these threads you know. Aka this whole "it's not said photons so it's can't be SoL" is just nonsense made from you.
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Chill man. If you start calling arguments nonsense you'll just end up angering those who oppose you and ruining your own chances.
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I don't see the showing for the diffusion for Signal Beam posted, on this point.
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It moves straight in the same wat Solar Beam does in some animations (such as Gen 4 and 5) and in anime it does as well. I don't see why it shouldn't count as SoL.
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If you need scans, is in Bulbapedia and the Ash-Greninja calc.
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Elizhaa is talking about the diffusing in a realistic way point.
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Well, it moves straight in the anime and it's pretty similar to Solar Beam itself in diffusion.
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No where did I say since it doesn’t say photons it’s not SoL omfg lol. I literally said it’s either that or beam of light with further context. Which is quite literally the conclusion of those threads.
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I got your point, but you misunderstood them. The threads in short are just to make the SoL if they're stated to be made of light without any contradiction.No where did I say since it doesn’t say photons it’s not SoL omfg lol. I literally said it’s either that or beam of light with further context. Which is quite literally the conclusion of those threads.
Citing AKM
"Beam/ray of light is okay. But not "everything" of light. There are several attacks that are just called "flash of light" which doesn't tell us what the attack is made of, it's more so referring to how the attack shines brightly."
Aka thank you for confirming my point.
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It only does that in the anime, just like with Solar Beam
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I mean like nearly all light attacks in all anime explode so...
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Why use anime then
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Coz it can be used as supporting material. Also even Solar Beam explodes and it is undoubtedly SoL so not a good point to bring regardless.
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Kizaru's beams explode too yet here we are
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Well because the game sucks with giving us information for proper calcs
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Borsalino's attacks are accepted because they are stated to be at the speed of light, but they are not accepted as natural light
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If the exploding only happens in the anime and no other material, I see no reason for that to be a dealbreaker for light speed.
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Diffuse is about spreading, not what happens at impact. You're taking the word out of context.
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Hmm... guess it's consistent with Pokémon being able to dodge moves like Flash and Signal Beam.
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What happens at the contact still matters for diffusion, scientifically speaking.
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Yeah but, that's kinda what happens with almost any attack in Pokémon. It's pretty much how it treats such thing in verse. You get to see even Flamethrower or Sonicboom generating an explosion at contact despite the properties.
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Aren't both considered canonical here?
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They're all canon the same, yes.
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i believe that the properties of the attack in question would outweigh the fact that it explodes when used in anime.
Pretty much all anime attacks explode. Heck, sometimes when a pokemon is shot back at Team rocket it still causes some explosion and somehow sends them flying upwards. Basically all attacks cause some explosion. It is damn easy to understand that if a beam is shot in an anime where explosions happen like after every impact they are obviously gonna make it cause some explosion. Thunder causes explosions, sound causes explosions, a 30kg pokemon getting blown back causes explosions. Like it happens everywhere despite the attacks still behaving like what they are supposed to do.
Solar beam is consistently shown as light. it is mostly of a white-ish color, it moves in a straight line, it is stated to be made of light, it is stated to be literal sunlight, it powers up solar panels and is created by gathering up sunlight and shooting it. It is mostly used by venusaurs who's whole shtick is absorbing sunlight using their plant.
I believe that saying that something crated, made and used like sunlight isn't actual sunlight but only some beam that explodes would be just weird.
I do indeed still disagree with Signal beam and people yet again pointed out why. Signal beam barely covers two criteria. It has no backup evidence to suggest it is an actual beam traveling at the speed of light.
Pretty much all anime attacks explode. Heck, sometimes when a pokemon is shot back at Team rocket it still causes some explosion and somehow sends them flying upwards. Basically all attacks cause some explosion. It is damn easy to understand that if a beam is shot in an anime where explosions happen like after every impact they are obviously gonna make it cause some explosion. Thunder causes explosions, sound causes explosions, a 30kg pokemon getting blown back causes explosions. Like it happens everywhere despite the attacks still behaving like what they are supposed to do.
Solar beam is consistently shown as light. it is mostly of a white-ish color, it moves in a straight line, it is stated to be made of light, it is stated to be literal sunlight, it powers up solar panels and is created by gathering up sunlight and shooting it. It is mostly used by venusaurs who's whole shtick is absorbing sunlight using their plant.
I believe that saying that something crated, made and used like sunlight isn't actual sunlight but only some beam that explodes would be just weird.
I do indeed still disagree with Signal beam and people yet again pointed out why. Signal beam barely covers two criteria. It has no backup evidence to suggest it is an actual beam traveling at the speed of light.
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Yes, but the point is that if every material besides the anime doesn't have it explode, why is the anime a dealbreaker when it's contradicted by everything else?
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The whole laser page says that few are enough.
Like it has no contradictions. So what exactly?
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A bug-type move mostly associated with firefly-like Pokémon which has included in it's more recent description "The user attacks with a sinister beam of light." isn't light speed?
Sure, makes sense.
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look man if this was my wiki it would have been lightspeed 3 years ago. What i am worried about is what will happen if someone notices and says "hey, these verses i like got strict treatment when it comes to LoS standards while Pokemon didn't, unfair! make our feats los too!" and the bureaucrats go "you know what, how about instead of buffing this 5 verses, we just nerf the living heck out of Pokemon" and then we're screwed.
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What’s the summary for both arguments?
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It is basically a back and forth between arguments on what and what not is light speed.
Signal beam is beign argued about but Solar beam is totally light speed. Currently the argument seems to be on the LoS side but i ain't sure. There are feats that suggest at least LoS pokemon.
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Signal Beam aside for a moment, the calc mentioned Tapu Bulu wasn't fighting seriously. How consistent SoL is with the other speed feats the Pokémon who would scale?
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They literally have like 5 calcs about such, including Doom Desire and Signal Beam too.
- Poliwrath's Relativistic calc
- Empoleon Relativistic calc
- Staraptor Relativistic calc
- Gyarados Relativistic+ calc (might recalc it tho since I've noticed weird stuff there)
- Ash-Greninja FTL calc (which is 6.78c, aka x3.26 higher than Lycanrock's)
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There are a number of calcs... but for Signal Beam...
On the topic, there is a general speed issue following this.
Navel Laser
Navel Laser (ネビルレーザー, Nebiru Rēzā?) is the Quirk used by Yuga Aoyama, which was given to him by All For One, who had originally stolen it from someone else.[1] Navel Laser gives the user the ability to fire sparkly twinkling laser beams from their navel. Those beams specifically come from Yuga's...
myheroacademia.fandom.com
If the criteria was as simple as, it is describe as a "beam of light", instead of "the speed of light", the MHA verse would be SOL right now, simply from Aoyama.
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This ain't MHA, this is Pokémon for one. I'm pretty sure that it has context which doesen't allow it to be SoL there. Signal Beam has not. Also what's the exact problem with these calcs?There are a number of calcs... but for Signal Beam...
On the topic, there is a general speed issue following this.
"A laser is a device that emits light through a process of optical amplification based on the stimulated emission of electromagnetic radiation."Navel Laser
Navel Laser (ネビルレーザー, Nebiru Rēzā?) is the Quirk used by Yuga Aoyama, which was given to him by All For One, who had originally stolen it from someone else.[1] Navel Laser gives the user the ability to fire sparkly twinkling laser beams from their navel. Those beams specifically come from Yuga's...
If the criteria was as simple as, it is describe as a "beam of light", instead of "the speed of light", the MHA verse would be SOL right now, simply from Aoyama.
Edit: saw your edit now.
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