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When was Solar Beam stated to be lightspeed?
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Pokemon: Final Evolutions Speed CRT
- Thread starter CloverDragon03
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The fact that is a charged beam made of sunlight which moves straight like a laser beam isn't enough? You're telling me this?
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I'm talking about the bold bullet point stating that the projectile must be referred to as light speed by a reliable source.
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We were talking about Signal Beam tho
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Skimmed over, and don’t see where the beam is stated to be anything other than a beam of light, which is a different criteria for qualify as of the list.
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A beam of light is lightspeed from default tho.
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tbh i agree.
Solar beam is understandable. It is a beam of light, made of sunlight which is created by a party by absorbing sunlight, it moves in a straight line and powers up solar panels.
Meanwhile signal beam is just "beam of light" and it moves in a straight line like any beam. Bruh.
anyways i feel like the blastoise vs venusaur clash needs a calc
Solar beam is understandable. It is a beam of light, made of sunlight which is created by a party by absorbing sunlight, it moves in a straight line and powers up solar panels.
Meanwhile signal beam is just "beam of light" and it moves in a straight line like any beam. Bruh.
anyways i feel like the blastoise vs venusaur clash needs a calc
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A beam of light being implicitly light speed is one thing, it being stated to be light speed is another. You can make the case that the beam moves at the speed of light due it being light, but you can't say that the beam it's stated to move at light speeds because it's stated to be light. That's why being made of light and being stated to move at the speed of light are two different criteria.
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I mean, these are enough.
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the beam was never called lightspeed, just light.
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Read the fourth.
And I mean, I'm fine with point one and two for Solar Beam (Won’t talk about point two for Signal Beam because I don’t really recall it going on a straight path, but that might just be my memory failing) to get SoL treatment given it also comes from natural light, but the move it's not stated to be light speed. At least not as far as I’m aware.
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Yout get my point tho, since is a literal beam of light that goes straight and hasn't any contradictions of it being SoL basing on these.
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that isn't how it works. Light that moves in a straight line but has no evidence of being made of light and isn't coming out of something that can create light then it is not provable until further evidence.
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Gen 4 and 5 animation (and you can argue gen 6/7 as well) do and in anime it always goes straight.
It's literally stated in the games lmao.
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sorry i misworded that. You cannot prove it is a legitimate beam that moves at SoL speed basically. Ask a mod, they'll explain better, i need to go to sleep
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It fits 2 of the criterias and has no contradictions. You don't need to be so nitpicking.
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look man, ask mods. I don't care.
what i care more about is whether or not there is a site where i can read the pokemon pocket monsters manga (the one with the clefairy) as one of the chapters has clefairy reflecting a solar beam using reflect.
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Now you're trolling. Tell me you do, please.
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Ask the mods man. I ain't no expert. I could be in the wrong here but light has been considered not the speed of light countless times
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Except that first Reflect is for whatever attack like Flamethrower.
Second, Solar Beam/Signal Beam have proved themselves to be SoL according to this wiki's criteria, as even confirmed from Elizhaa, you're the nitpicking one here.
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Can Flash Cannon count as SoL too, since it's "light energy"?
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
Flash Cannon (move)
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Something else too. Couldn’t Psybeam also possibly count as a light beam?
The anime has shown the attack can reflect off of glass, just as light can.
The anime has shown the attack can reflect off of glass, just as light can.
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It goes as a straight like in some animations. Can I see a proof of the latter too?
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I've already debunked these reasons. If you want to go in the nitpicking way then do it, just don't complain if you get countered again.
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You didn't debunk it. You said "bruh you got to be joking". Your whole debunk stands on the idea that two criterias are enough.
Either way i will just stop, do what you want to, but if some " Nitpickee" comes one day and one who isn't an actual pokemon supporter then you are going to have one painful thread on your hands.
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I’ll try and find it but I vaguely remember it being mentioned here.
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Well, sadly I didn't found any notable feat with Flash Cannon, so we have to stick with these two regardless.
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Moving straight is not evidence for light speed lol. That’s quite literally on the page.
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Being called a beam of light is tho.
+ the lack of Contradictions as well.
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This one depends on the mod funny enough. Some will say that is enough for the 4th requirement others will say it has to say photons specifically.
The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.
The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.
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I checked; Signal beam doesn't seem to meet similar requirements as Solar Beam, which was accepted as a speed of light in a previous thread.
It is from light from a bug move that can confuse opponents
It seems like it just meets the four requirements at best.
From my knowledge, at least two requirements are needed to be met.
So, I retracted my point on it being valid light unless there are more contexts.
It is from light from a bug move that can confuse opponents
It seems like it just meets the four requirements at best.
From my knowledge, at least two requirements are needed to be met.
So, I retracted my point on it being valid light unless there are more contexts.
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The user attacks with a sinister beam of light. This may also confuse the target.
I mean...
So you contradict this wiki's very page on the Lightspeed standards.
Therefore, lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:
- The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
- The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
- The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
- It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
- It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.
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Yeah no. The requirements say photons OR light itself.This one depends on the mod funny enough. Some will say that is enough for the 4th requirement others will say it has to say photons specifically.
The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.
So unless the standards are changed to reflect on photons being required to be said, photon statements aren’t explicitly needed.
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