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Pikachu already scales to beating Tapu Koko. This is why he's 3-C/High 3-AI believe that that would be a massive outlier, otherwise Pikachu would scale too as he had consistently fought opponents such as Melmetal, Guzzlord, Tapu Koko, Buzzwole and more. Problem being this was just PIS/Outliers and Greninja is even more so.
None of Alain's other Pokémon even hold a candle to Charizard. It was very clear that Charizard is far above all his other Pokémonyet again, Greninja didn't one-shot it, they already clashed beforehand and damage was dealt. If we give him 6-C then Pikachu should be even higher as XYZ Pikachu was about as strong as Ash-Greninja (took out two pseudo-legendaries on his own before weakening Charizard a bit and finally going down) and Pikachu in SaM and Journeys has grown exponentially, where he could actually fight opponents he couldn't harm before.
After pikachu was eexhausted by two fights in a row that isNone of Alain's other Pokémon even hold a candle to Charizard. It was very clear that Charizard is far above all his other Pokémon
And in fact, Charizard defeated XYZ Pikachu easily and shook off a super-effective thunderbolt from him
Also add resistance to mind manipulation for Ash and Rocket trio(expect meowth)
Pretty sure he got hypnotized earlier in the episode but it has been some time since I watched it so not 100% sureFor Pikachu too. He was also immune to that
Probably scales above Drowsee who is in the thousands-millionsHow strong is the mindhax in that context?
Don't we have an mind hax scaling for pokémons? If not then in the show the beheeyem were affecting inhabitants of an entire town both pokémon and humans so at bare minimum it has to have been at least 50+How strong is the mindhax in that context?
Eh wasn't Darkrai able to keep up with Dialga and Palkia in the anime? He was also able to do the same thing in the manga adaptationYeah legendaries are weird in anime.
The one thing i think i would want to do but can't cause Kukui will use Judgement on me if i do, i would personally nerf Darkrai or split his profile, the canon one having tier 5-B at best.
I feel like he's been constantly portrayed as weaker than what we have in reality. The one in Mystery dungeon got one-shot by Palkia, never actually had a proper fight with it. In the anime it was never portrayed as anything godly, just a mon who lives on an island, not to mention that the darkrai in the tobias fight was compared with the darkrai in the latest episodes and Ash only thought it was a tough pokemon, like the one he took down before.
So the only real feats is suriving attacks from Palkia and Dialga avatars but just barely, might have fused two dimensions in a spin-off game. Nothing else that is truly serious.
eh ill trust your word. I ain't gonna do it either wayEh wasn't Darkrai able to keep up with Dialga and Palkia in the anime? He was also able to do the same thing in the manga adaptation
the problem is who scales to whom. Mewtwo clearly scales above drowsy, problem is the Drowsy was somewhat amplified using a machine. So idk if we can simply say that Beheeyem scales or weaker. I guess Ash's potency is 50+ then though i may check out the episode.Don't we have an mind hax scaling for pokémons? If not then in the show the beheeyem were affecting inhabitants of an entire town both pokémon and humans so at bare minimum it has to have been at least 50+
The 50+ part is just me guessing and the episode number is 786(for dub) or 792(for original)Does anyone know the number of the episode and the series?
The argument of PIS turned out to be bait and the user who said it now agrees so dont worry.Yeah I wasn't gonna take part in this originally, but then I saw the infamous "Outlier!" argument thrown around for Ash and the TR trio here and decided to play the game.
Absolute no to Ash's feats being outliers. TR may be a bit questionable (but even then I agree with their upgrades for the same reasons personally speaking), but people here need to stop acting like humans in Pokemon don't have consistent superhuman feats that are, to an extent at the bare minimum, comparable to some pokemon. Because that's absolutely the case, and Ash isn't any different. Ash if anything is one of the best textbook examples of this trend in the series when he's someone who does some of the more extreme practical training with his pokemon that the typical trainer doesn't do (not just tanking his pokemons attacks but even doing things like making himself a moving target for his Staravia to master Brave Bird in the DP series). Ash has consistent superhuman feats, there's no reason to think they're not legit. PIS and Pokemon come together on a lot of things, but superhuman Ash is not one of them.
Same thing for TR and the OP already reiterated why. Their blast offs happen all the time. LITERALLY ALL THE TIME. There's nothing inconsistent about that. And even with taking the "gag feat!" excuse at face value, so what? They still happen. If things like Tier 4 Popeyes or Eustace Bagge can remain on this site without anyone batting an eye, a constant case of Tier 7 Team Rocket shouldn't be a shocker to anyone on here at all.
Fixed it for youSo for now :
Agree : Lou_change, theultimate5105, Psychomaster35, Shizuka, ProfessorKuki4life, Gilad_Hyperstar, Rez, Adem_Warlock69, Gohanblanco217, DaReaperMan,
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Ik what you are talking about but i feel like meowth is likely 7-A by default (he one-slashed a Persian) while J&Js cases are more scarce as they mostly slightly hurt or counter pokemon every once in a while and Meowth isn't consistent enough to scale their Ap to themI agree as well.
I’d also like to point out something- Shouldn’t TRs AP be higher? They’re all shown to consistently be able to damage each other (such as Meowth scratching them all to shut them up, Jessie hurting James due to his comments on multiple occasions, Jessie knocking Meowth into a Wall, good lord a lot of them come from Jessie lol), Jessie caught that Seviper she used to have with her bare hands, and it’s a running Gag throughout at least 3 seasons (that’s all I remember lol) that James gets attacked by his own Pokemon all the time.
I would provide scans, but I don’t have them readily accessible lol
I think Meowth has some other instances of harming/beating 7-A Pokemon, iirc.Ik what you are talking about but i feel like meowth is likely 7-A by default (he one-slashed a Persian) while J&Js cases are more scarce as they mostly slightly hurt or counter pokemon every once in a while and Meowth isn't consistent enough to scale their Ap to them
It is a gag but a consistent gag. Them hurting 7-As isn'tHonestly Team Rocket blasting off has happened 900+ times. Gag or not it's too damn consistent to simply ignore.
Team Rocket constantly damage each other, who all has the 900+ 7-A durability feats from all the times they have been blasted offIt is a gag but a consistent gag. Them hurting 7-As isn't
Hmm maybe you do have a point. Could you send in some links and scans?Team Rocket constantly damage each other, who all has the 900+ 7-A durability feats from all the times they have been blasted off
There's no reason why their AP won't scale, gag or not
They are just the most consistent so it is best to get it on their profiles firstI might be a bit late, but I agree with everything here. Ash and TR aren’t even the only humans that should scale to 7-A+ mons