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Pokémon Anime CRT: Fixing Ash's Profile

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So, Ash Ketchum has had a profile for a long time now... But it's also horribly outdated, so I wanted to fix that with this CRT. Below is my sandbox for Ash's new profile:

Ash's New Profile Draft

I made this to the best of my ability, but there are some things that are worth noting:
  1. I tried to account for the ongoing canon split by not scaling Ash's XY and Sun and Moon keys to "At least 3-C, likely High 3-A" from manga Zygarde and Necrozma. This is why his XY key and Sun and Moon key are the way they are.
  2. Despite this, I struggled with the speed part of his profile, and ended up leaving it with the composited speeds. I genuinely was at a loss on what to do here as far as anime speed feats. As such, any input would help. His Journeys key should be fine though, as the Creation Trio are unaffected by the split.
And that's about it... Hopefully this should be pretty straightforward. The main thing I'll need help on is anime speed feats, so any such feats would be appreciated.

Now... LET'S DISCUSS!

Agree: 3 (@KingTempest, @Lonkitt, @DarkDragonMedeus)
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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I only have, like, minor recommendations

-Bold the abilities since thats what profiles are doing now
-Move the key up after the tiering since that what profiles are doing now
-Change the "Very high" stamina to "Peak Human"


But yeah, this looks good
 
Lonkitt said:
I only have, like, minor recommendations

-Bold the abilities since thats what profiles are doing now
-Move the key up after the tiering since that what profiles are doing now
-Change the "Very high" stamina to "Peak Human"


But yeah, this looks good
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Done. Also added a few abilities that Ash never had on his profile for some reason
 
CloverDragon03 said:
I will assume you agree and mark you as such
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You are right to do so

Lemme stop, I agree, this looks great
Could there be a section on his specific teams per region? Cause this
Standard Equipment: His Pokémon, Pokédex, and Poké Balls

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Is meh
 
I could potentially implement such a thing, but it'd probably require a butt-ton of work that I don't think I have the motivation for rn
 
KingTempest said:
Yeah these were for his main teams that he used in conferences but more per arc could be added if wanted/needed
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May be necessary, given some exclusions like his Gliscor. Also, I’m aware that Ash’s Sceptile doesn’t become a Sceptile until after the Hoenn League, but in this case it’d be preferable to have it as Sceptile instead of Grovyle since the Hoenn League does not mark the end of the Hoenn series due to the Battle Frontier
 
Ash shouldn't scale to Necrozma's absorption feat. After absorbing enough light to restore the light of the world, Necrozma becomes Ultra Necrozma who no one scales to. In fact, base Necrozma took 0 damage from Gladion's Silvally's Razor Wind, proving even Gladion doesn't scale to this

Ash's Lifting Strength is obviously not that high a lot of the time. Here in Sun and Moon he fails to lift a log, in Best Wishes he takes effort to lift a small boulder and Pikachu over his head

While I do think you did a good job improving the profile, it is also still missing stuff. There's no mention at all about anything he can do with Aura for some reason? And what about bond phenomenon? That's such a notable thing about Ash that it feels weird to not point it out at all. It would be like making a Naruto profile with 0 mention of his Sage of Six Paths mode
 
I don't think this thread is implementing any changes to the profile's stats, it's just changing its appearance and making it a better profile

I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to criticize the stats, no matter how ludicrous they are
 
It is changing stats though, just look at the original profile

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Ash Ketchum

I CHOOSE YOU!Ash Ash Ketchum (Japanese: サトシ Satoshi) is the main character of the Pokémon anime. He is also the main character of various manga based on the anime, including The Electric Tale of Pikachu, Ash & Pikachu, and Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl. He is a Pokémon Trainer from Pallet Town...
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Hypertornado099 said:
Ash shouldn't scale to Necrozma's absorption feat. After absorbing enough light to restore the light of the world, Necrozma becomes Ultra Necrozma who no one scales to. In fact, base Necrozma took 0 damage from Gladion's Silvally's Razor Wind, proving even Gladion doesn't scale to this
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The Ultra Necrozma stuff is irrelevant. Also no, Necrozma is shown recoiling when the attack hits. Gladion scales
Hypertornado099 said:
Ash's Lifting Strength is obviously not that high a lot of the time. Here in Sun and Moon he fails to lift a log, in Best Wishes he takes effort to lift a small boulder and Pikachu over his head
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He also effortlessly lifts the likes of Larvitar, Pignite, and Cosmoem, so I think these can be scrapped. Ash is shown on numerous occasions to be well beyond the strength of an average human. In a 1200+ episode anime, there’s bound to be inconsistent showings like this that can very much be ignored when they contradict the narrative.
Hypertornado099 said:
While I do think you did a good job improving the profile, it is also still missing stuff. There's no mention at all about anything he can do with Aura for some reason? And what about bond phenomenon? That's such a notable thing about Ash that it feels weird to not point it out at all. It would be like making a Naruto profile with 0 mention of his Sage of Six Paths mode
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What does he do with Aura? I don’t exactly remember. And I’m not sure what the Bond Phenomenon would even fall under. It was kinda retconned into being an application of Aura.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I overlooked that

Yeah, that's a good point. Our inconsistency policy should be especially strict with infinite/immeasurable speed stuff.
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Andytrenom said:
It is changing stats though, just look at the original profile

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Ash Ketchum

I CHOOSE YOU!Ash Ash Ketchum (Japanese: サトシ Satoshi) is the main character of the Pokémon anime. He is also the main character of various manga based on the anime, including The Electric Tale of Pikachu, Ash & Pikachu, and Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl. He is a Pokémon Trainer from Pallet Town...
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There is no inconsistency though. He always reacts to Pokémon of this level throughout the series (his own Pokémon in XY, Sun and Moon, and Journeys, and even the likes of the Lake Guardians and the Creation Trio)
 
CloverDragon03 said:
The Ultra Necrozma stuff is irrelevant. Also no, Necrozma is shown recoiling when the attack hits. Gladion scales

He also effortlessly lifts the likes of Larvitar, Pignite, and Cosmoem, so I think these can be scrapped. Ash is shown on numerous occasions to be well beyond the strength of an average human. In a 1200+ episode anime, there’s bound to be inconsistent showings like this that can very much be ignored when they contradict the narrative.

What does he do with Aura? I don’t exactly remember. And I’m not sure what the Bond Phenomenon would even fall under. It was kinda retconned into being an application of Aura.
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Necrozma simply moved its arm. Its not recoiling because its hurt at all, supported by the fact that the first few razor wind didn't do visible damage at all

Ash doesn't effortlessly lift Pignite and he more often struggles to pull of feats comparable to lifting 999kg without any effort. In Ep 10 of Journeys he calls a Dragonair heavy for example, and they are like 16.5kg

He can heal people with aura but it uses up his own stamina, sense a Riolu from a distance, use it to touch a ghost in this episode, who was also invisible. Bond Phenomena is like fusion I guess, grants him Extrasensory Perception and he resisted Team Flare's mind control with it
 
Lou_change said:
Could anyone on Ash’s team scale to Tupi koko? Koko should scale to necrozma as shown here
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Ash’s team at the end of Sun and Moon scales. His Naganadel could briefly contend with and damage it even after being damaged by Kukui’s Lucario. His Pikachu could match it, which Kukui’s Empoleon also fought. Ash’s Melmetal defeated this Empoleon, and Ash’s Lycanroc could contend with it and his Torracat could do so as well. And his Lycanroc was defeated by Kukui’s Braviary, which his Rowlet defeated.
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Necrozma simply moved its arm. Its not recoiling because its hurt at all, supported by the fact that the first few razor wind didn't do visible damage at all
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Even if this is correct, which I don't agree with, Ash's team would still scale from Tapu Koko who fought Base Necrozma
Hypertornado099 said:
Ash doesn't effortlessly lift Pignite and he more often struggles to pull of feats comparable to lifting 999kg without any effort. In Ep 10 of Journeys he calls a Dragonair heavy for example, and they are like 16.5kg
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He actually does. It's a part of the whole "Ash is comically strong" meme. Also, in XY Ash has a 16 kg Fletchinder casually perched on his arm, so the Dragonair example makes no sense.

Lastly, you brought up Ash struggling to lift a log, which also makes no sense because in Hoenn he easily carried and tossed one. These examples you're providing are so blatantly contradicted that I can't really see them as legitimate anti-feats and more like outliers to be discarded.
Hypertornado099 said:
He can heal people with aura but it uses up his own stamina, sense a Riolu from a distance, use it to touch a ghost in this episode, who was also invisible. Bond Phenomena is like fusion I guess, grants him Extrasensory Perception and he resisted Team Flare's mind control with it
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I can add these abilities to the sandbox. I also remembered that he can telepathically communicate with Greninja via the Bond Phenomenon (XYZ episode 23, in his second battle with Alain), so he should get Telepathy as well
 
Probably, yeah. When I get free time, I’ll implement KT’s list thingy into my sandbox and apply changes
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Based on what?
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Indexing scaling chains and calc values

We should really start indexing scaling chains and calc values on the wiki far better than we currently do There is a recurring issue that I think we can all relate to, and that is having to scroll through a billion pages just to find some calc value, and having to go through link after link to...
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Basically, the majority of staff rejected it, although, this one is allowed
M3X_2.0 said:
Kira's profile has a good compromise for this.
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Not even gonna lie, the thread has yet to be concluded and I don’t see the issue with more clarity. I’ll keep it until further notice
 
Okay, it's been well over 48 hours, I've made the appropriate suggested changes, there's been sufficient staff approval and contentions like the Infinite reaction speed for Ash were never properly substantiated (the belief that it's an inconsistency is directly contradicted by the sheer number of Infinite speed Pokemon that Ash has reacted to)

I will go ahead and apply the changes
 
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