Overlord General Discussion Mk.VIII

[InfiniteSped]

Shouldn't Climb have Healing via healing potions?

 

[Apeironaxim]

does he usually keep one on himself?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I think so? He had one on him when he went to help that child and as the princess gaurd I doubt he's lacking in health potions (Pretty sure he had another one when he fought succlent for the first time)

 

[InfiniteSped]

"Really now. That's good. Remember, we're warriors; all we can do is swing our weapons. Sometimes, situations occur that can't be dealt with using weapons. That's when you use magic items to help you out with those. You need to obtain as many magic items as possible and keep them on you, got that? Also, make sure you have at least three healing potions on you, alright? They've helped me out more than once. Climb had owned three such bottles, but he only had two on him right now.

 

[Apeironaxim]

aight, add Healing, as well as health potions to his standard equipment

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Better yet, what does Climb keep on his person usually, as a whole?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

A few bells and Rigrit's ring that gives him 5 warrior levels.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

if prepared for combat, His armor, dark vision helemet, sword, two to three health potions,

 

[Apeironaxim]

is Ainz's match against King Hassan now a stomp for King Hassan?

before, Ainz had the AP advantage which was the main argument in favor of him iirc, now he doesn't

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah Id say so,

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Wasn't part of it, someone should request it then

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It is a stomp, yes.

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

btw a tiny detail I found.

the description of the spell "Shockwave" from Ainz says it shoots a wave of electricity... isn't that wrong and it's instead a telecinetic wave ?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah I don't remember any description of electric energy when he used it... So did copy we copy the description of the pokemon move?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Cure without Soulbreaker Breath vs Wrath and all the Pleiades.

Who wins

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

He has already said true dragon lords would stomp all of them (pleiades) and wrath is around the same level as the elementals.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Cure.

Each and every one of those even attacking all at once would be exhausted of their mana and powers before they ever reached Cure himself. There's too many undead in his armor. That's not adding the level different, his natural and abnormal resilience, and assuming he doesn't get a hit in before they are even done with the undead.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Well you said all the Pleiades and sebas is technically the leader of the six stars, so are we assuming sebas is involved?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Meant it more like Cure vs the team that Ainz fought, but, yeah, let's go with Sebas too and see what happens. >_>

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

If ALL the pleiades are in the battle then Aureole and Sebas are there too and Cure gets shitstomped.

if it's only the six star pleiades and the Demon Lord then they are the ones getting their asses handed to them.

if the six stars AND wrath receive buffs by aureole prior to the battle then they might have a chance as they're a pretty balanced troop and work well together and the buffs could overcome the level difference with Ainz to the point that Shizu's snipes could interrupt him casting spells which is kinda huge.

if wrath gets such a buff too then he might even be around level 100 and his flame Aura (which he might be able to widen kinda like Cocytus does in that he usually supresses it and can decide how much to let out) helps against Cures undead armor and him having flame attribute also helps against Cure himself because he's undead

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Well if it's the team that ainz fought that means it's boosted doppels not the pleiades so it's less of a stomp the doppels aren't as severely outclassed as the normal pleiades are. Even then not sure it makes much difference ainz had to hold back with some of his tactics during his fight with wrath as he couldn't destroy to much of the city/kill to many people and even with that handicap he still won.

Still wrath has an innate advantage that ainz didn't, wrath's hellfire and soul destructive abilities unintentionally targets cures weakness ie his soul and while cure has many souls he can't precisely afford to burn through them willy nilly. I don't see it giving him a real chance but its something of note.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Six Pleiades gets stomped utterly. Six Pleiades with Wrath likewise.

Six with Sebas is iffy, because Sebas has the power but we really don't have much clue about what tools he has beyond a few things. Cure even without his undead armor remained alive even after multiple Reality Slashes, high level spells and summons wailing on him from an Ainz boosted by his Guild Weapon, a massive boost.

The Pleiades would at best be support and I really don't see Sebas comparing to Ainz in firepower with that many buffs on, AND having to deal with the undead armor first when Ainz himself didn't feel confident to whittle it down without his reserves running out first and not being able to kill Cure. Dragon form would obviously help but to what level is hard to say.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Yeah...They are getting shredded. Overgrown lizards deserve respect

This is frequently misunderstood however, there are various guys in the New World who can defeat those around Level 50 right? In the case of those Dragonlords bearing the label True, (True Dragon Lords) even all members of the Pleiades would not be an opponent.

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[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah sebas makes it tricky but he said all the pleiades so that also includes areoule whos a summoner/buffer iirc add onto that sebas and I see him loosing out to them.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I personally still see the Pleiades being mostly useless even with the help of Areoule, but Sebas would for sure shred things easier. Cure's main issue would be that he couldn't do much to Areoule with a boosted Sebas on his ass.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I think it doesn't include Sebas. I mean, Without him they are all female or more like a 'whole' if you actually look at the meaning of pleiades plus he is just their leader.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Oh im not saying the sisters become a problem im more reffering to areoule buffing wrath and sebas and possibly summoning more powerful beings to tear into him.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Areoule isn't a summoner last I remember, just a Commander-type character.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah I got confused, my bad. Still it's a tough question the pleiades themselves don't play a major role here, it becomes a battle between cure, sebas, wrath and Areoule buffing them. (Technically the pleiades should be strong enough to pose a problem as well boosted by areoula as they were strong enough to bother ainz, so I see them being useful for some time, at the very least they should now majorly contribute to cutting through cures armor)

I honestly feel cure is likely to take it but we don't know enough about sebas capabilities for me to be confident in saying for sure especially not with areoula buffing him and wrath providing back up.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I can see Cure actually being able to smack Wrath away, buffs don't undo the small difference that different levels give. Sebas is the real issue.


But since I love fisti cuffs and characters that use minions, I would wish we could see more of Sebas and Aureole,

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Wrath boosted by Aureole would likly not be far off a level one hundred, remeber Aureole brought the pleides to a point they could actually pose as an annoyance to ainz. (Technically the pleiades should be strong enough to pose a problem as well boosted by areoula as they were strong enough to bother ainz, so I see them being useful for some time. At the very least they should now majorly contribute to cutting through cures armor)

Honestly wraths most useful ability could be his flame aura against the undead armor especially with Aureole buffing him

 

[Apeironaxim]

Wrath boosted by Aureole would likly not be far off a level one hundred, remeber Aureole brought the pleides to a point they could actually pose as an annoyance to ainz. (Technically the pleiades should be strong enough to pose a problem as well boosted by areoula as they were strong enough to bother ainz, so I see them being useful for some time. At the very least they should now majorly contribute to cutting through cures armor)

Honestly wraths most useful ability could be his flame aura against the undead armor especially with Aureole buffing him

Its a little more impressive actually, since the doppel Pleiades were a lower level then the regualr Pleiades, and then they were buffed to the point they could pose a minor annoyance

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

True I'd forgotten the doppels were initially weaker then the original Pleiades, saying that assuming sebas and Aureole are invovled I feel like they stand a rather solid chance though its difficult to judge with any certainty due to the lack of feats we have for sebas.

(though Id pay to see sebas in dragoniod form fighting cure...)

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

yeah Aureole is actually a big factor. let's look at it this way: Aureole could make the doppel pleiades (did Narberal partake in the battle btw) an annoyance to Ainz. which means she could buff them atleast to each of them be equivalent of level 60 to get through Ainz attack negation. and if we only judge by the levels we know of the regular pleiades maids that means aureole has in total buffs to give that are equivalent to about 50 levels (about 10 for each pleiades with a really rough estimate and because I think Narberal didn't fight) which is just from the levels we know of the original pleiades not taking into account that the doppels were weaker.

which means Aureole could possibly turn both Sebas and Wrath into beings akin to some kind of Raid boss way above a lv 100 NPC which imo would definitly win them the fight

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That's... not how buffs works. Unless she used entirely different buffs for all of them and all those can be stacked on someone at the very same time, that's not 50 levels worth of buffs, that just means she can make many people powerful enough that it is like they gained 10 levels.

Do you seriously think such a thing wouldn't be a massively big deal in "abuse every advantage" yggdrasil?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Gotta agree I don't think she can stack that many buffs on one person saying that she can atleast raise someone by ten levels (Slightly more as the doppels were originally weaker then the pleiade) This takes wrath to level ninety four equivlant which puts him six levels off sebas and ainz, with that I don't think cure will be able to simply slap aside wrath.

Add onto that a buffed sebas, the pleiades being slightly more functional annoyances then their doppel counter parts and I think they stand a decent shot at taking the fight, but again really hard to judge due to how featless sebas is. Saying that does Aureole get her assitants from her floor? As she would likely bring them to defend her if she goes into combat.

 

[Apeironaxim]

absolute best i feel she could do on one person is something like Perfect Warrior, where it just converts your stats into a half-baked lvl 100 warrior, but in her case it would just be a half-baked lvl 100 in general

even then, i don't think she could take it that far, even focusing on just one person

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Actually looking it over her best feat is raising cz delta's doppel to level sixty equivalent which at minimum means she can boost by fourteen levels, as cz is only level fourty six. (Saying that the doppels should be weaker then the initial Pleiades so likely higher boost then that) So it's not outside the realm of possiblity that she could push wrath to level one hundred from his base eighty four.

 

[Apeironaxim]

best we've got for Sebas is that he beats Cocytus, he's the most skilled fighter in Nazarick, and that his Dragonoid transformation allows him to also be able to beat Albedo

unfortunately, that's all statements

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah he's equivalent/scales above two characters with nearly zero feats of there own, more importantly we don't know what abilities sebas has access to beyond punching hard and getting stronger with a transformation. (Yes he has a few others but they're very minor things)


We don't really know what he's capable of in a grander sense, at least with albedo we have some description of her armor and weapon, cocytus we have some knowledge on his fighting style and weapons, sebas? Not much there.