OPM Monster Association Arc God-Tiers Revision

[TimmyTurnero]

I've already posted the scans. The sky was empty when Garou started dropping bombs.

No they weren’t lol.

 

[Golden_Void]

No they weren’t lol.

You do realize that's after Garou dropped multiple nukes on Saitama right? Those original clouds didn't go anywhere.
Waiting for staff.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

You do realize that's after Garou dropped multiple nukes on Saitama right? Those original clouds didn't go anywhere.
Waiting for staff.

When Garou dropped his nukes they were deep into the ocean, these clouds are above land and literally covering the city.
There’s nothing suggesting that Garou created any clouds especially when we visibly see them disperse all the dust and smoke Garou created.
Garou also sucks up all the dust and smoke his nukes caused via a black hole.
The clouds Garou disperse are clearly nature clouds, not some clouds created from nukes

 

[Golden_Void]

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Sir

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sir

I forgor

Serious punch by itself is by no means an indicator of going all-out, as he's used the technique plenty of times yet wasn't truly going all-out. I personally only accept him going all-out when he actually said he was.

An important aspect here is Garou. Garou copied Saitama using the Serious Punch and did not copy Saitama again until well into the Io fight. Despite that gap in time Garou showed multiple times that he could keep up and exchange blows with Saitama. Even if you don't consider it 100% of his strength for some reason, it still would comparable to his maximum potential since Garou wasn't one shot or anything.

There were no clouds in the air other than the ones Garou created as a side effect of his fist. Additionally, mushroom clouds are traditionally dust and debris. Garou's blasts were made over an ocean and in air, leaving no possibility for it to be anything other than a regular cloud. That 100% qualifies for limited weather manipulation based on all the profiles that currently have that ability.

Garou didn't generate the clouds or control the weather, which is what is needed for weather manipulation. Flooding the area with enough radiation to make black rain is just a by product of his radiation manipulation. It can be mentioned in that section, but it's not weather control.

 

[Golden_Void]

An important aspect here is Garou. Garou copied Saitama using the Serious Punch and did not copy Saitama again until well into the Io fight. Despite that gap in time Garou showed multiple times that he could keep up and exchange blows with Saitama. Even if you don't consider it 100% of his strength for some reason, it still would comparable to his maximum potential since Garou wasn't one shot or anything.

Garou also didn't need to copy Saitama's consecutive normal punches, as he already witnessed it in a prior form, nor was he shocked by Saitama's power using serious punch, whereas he was when Saitama started stomping him on IO.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Saitama's consecutive normal punches, as he already witnessed it in a prior form

Garou still copied a casual Saitama to do that move.

shocked by Saitama's power using serious punch,

Because he copied the form

whereas he was when Saitama started stomping him on IO.

After copying a Serious Saitama he was still capable of fighting him, even if he was losing overall.

 

[Golden_Void]

Garou still copied a casual Saitama to do that move.

He copied moves that were capable of being just strong enough to damage fully monsterized Garou. He didn't copy any power on par with Cosmic Fear Garou, so he already possessed that power himself.

Because he copied the form

He wasn't shocked prior to copying the form. He was sweating bullets on IO even while copying Saitama because he realized how big the power gap was.

After copying a Serious Saitama he was still capable of fighting him, even if he was losing overall.

This doesn't refute my point.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Bump?

 

[Qawsedf234]

He copied moves that were capable of being just strong enough to damage fully monsterized Garou.

He copied a character who right before was matching him blow for blow. Saitama has no set level of strength and ramped up whenever he needed to. Garou still needed to copy Saitama to do that move. Or else he wouldn't have copied him.

He wasn't shocked prior to copying the form. He was sweating bullets on IO even while copying Saitama because he realized how big the power gap was.

Garou knew Saitama was holding back, killed Genos to make Saitama go all out and then saw Saitama growth in power on Io. But Garou could only fight a serious Saitama by copying a serious Saitama. That was the entire point of him killing Genos.

This doesn't refute my point.

It does, because even if the Serious Punch^2 wasn't Saitama's full power, it was close enough that Garou could hang with him for a prolonged fight.

 

[Golden_Void]

He copied a character who right before was matching him blow for blow. Saitama has no set level of strength and ramped up whenever he needed to. Garou still needed to copy Saitama to do that move. Or else he wouldn't have copied him.

This argument supports the idea (beyond the fact that Saitama isn't stated to go full power until IO) that Garou already has the power to challenge Saitama. Copying technique observed at an exponentially weaker level of power and using it in a much stronger form requiring Saitama to use his full power and repeatedly break his limits speaks to the power of Garou, and not the power of the move he copied, in this case at least.

Garou knew Saitama was holding back, killed Genos to make Saitama go all out and then saw Saitama growth in power on Io. But Garou could only fight a serious Saitama by copying a serious Saitama. That was the entire point of him killing Genos.

Again, Saitama said he could finally go all-out on IO. Serious =/= full power. Hitting even harder than SP after landing on IO shows he has more in the tank.

It does, because even if the Serious Punch^2 wasn't Saitama's full power, it was close enough that Garou could hang with him for a prolonged fight.

This ties back to my first point. Besides the fact that Garou has passive power improvement (before copying abilities), Garou can only copy power within a reasonable range of his, or beneath his current level. Using consecutive normal punch displays Garou's own power (even though he copied Saitama's technique) because the power of the technique observed was against monsterized Garou - not against Saitama who hadn't yet displayed power against Cosmic Garou.

Garou did not fear serious punch even before copying it - unlike when he feared Darkshine's move that he knew would be fatal before it even landed, and this was an inferior version of Garou that did not have cosmic awareness and understanding of all energies. It was also an earlier version of Garou who could estimate the power of Saitama's future blows that he feared would kill him. This same serious punch was also far weaker than the subsequent serious punches that were getting too strong too fast for Garou to copy, so the serious punch on Earth was within the realm of power for Garou. As you said earlier, Garou didn't copy Saitama again after Earth for some time.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This argument supports the idea (beyond the fact that Saitama isn't stated to go full power until IO) that Garou already has the power to challenge Saitama.

Until he copied a serious Saitama with the punch clash he never had the power to challenge him. He acknowledges this and directly states that Saitama wasn't serious and he needs to make him go full tilt so he can copy him.

Again, Saitama said he could finally go all-out on IO. Serious =/= full power.

Again, Garou could only fight a serious Saitama after he copied a serious Saitama's power. He says this and when he copies a serious Saitama his Saitama mode gain a completely new face

Garou can only copy power within a reasonable range of his, or beneath his current level.

There's no indication of this. He just views something and copies it due to his ability to fully understand universal energies in his new form.

This same serious punch was also far weaker than the subsequent serious punches that were getting too strong too fast for Garou to copy, so the serious punch on Earth was within the realm of power for Garou. As you said earlier, Garou didn't copy Saitama again after Earth for some time.

This is all a baseless guess. Garou knew Saitama was holding back a great deal, got Saitama mad and copied his serious power. His previous forms do not backscale to the Serious Punch Squared in my view.

 

[Damage3245]

Qaws makes the most sense here to me.

 

[Nierre]

Yep Qaws makes sense to me as well.

 

[Golden_Void]

Not interested in dragging this out for months, we can apply whatever is agreed upon

 

[Golden_Void]

Bump

 

[Golden_Void]

Bruh yall can't even keep the easy part easy

 

[Recon1511]

Staff probably isnt receiving notifs anymore