OPM AP Revision discussion

[Qawsedf234]

> of the people talking about a downgrade, what exactly would be downgraded?

Speed and AP. Speed to High Hypersonic+ and AP to MCB or Town level (as of now)

> but he said that he has enough firepower to fight a demon somewhere around the fight with Garou

Genos always had the fire power to take down a Demon. By the Garou fight he can do it consistently


> Where does it say they didn't ask ONE just in case? He said he didn't request anything. Not he had no relation to it.

You're asking me to prove a negative here. The anime made changes, typically expanded feats, and ONE was never credited in a major role. To take it over the manga is just wrong in my view.


> Like Bald Cape. Garo instead of Garou

Both of these are actually correct translations.


> Flashy Flash instead of following the SoS thing of Lightspeed Flash

Lightspeed Flash is actually a mistranslation. His name is "ÚûâÕàëÒü«ÒâòÒâ®ÒââÒéÀÒâÑ" which means something like "Flash of Flash". Lightspeed isn't in his name


> No Osaka, or Sapporo or etc (My knowledge of Japan is nonexistence so bear with me). I'm pretty sure when Genos is talking about towns he's referring to other cities like City J, City X, etc

There's outlying minor towns near the big cities. Genos mentions saving some when he first met Saitama. There's 26 major cities with towns scattered about.


> Sure you can do a calc.

According to the guidebook the meteor is 200 meters long and is said to be usual hard or made of dense material. Using this calculater I enetered 200 meters for diameter, used iron as the material, and assumed the speed was 20 km/s. I got 6.70 x 1018 Joules which is Large Mountain level or High 7A. Using 17 km/s I also got Large Mountain level. So High 7A meteor.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I see

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

>ONE

I'm pretty sure articles actually detailed them supervising it. Hell it was discussed before in OPM threads in this very website that ONE and Yuusuke helped in the OPM anime.

>Names

There are much more different translated names here.

His cape being bald doesn't make sense. This is pointless.

>Towns

Again my point still stands. The towns are still likely to be farther than being just neighboring to those cities.

>Calc

Considering it's dense material and it wasn't eradicated by Genos' blast... It's probably some material that isn't going to be easily destroyed. That supports Large Mountain to Island Dragon class threats though.


On another note found a nifty little thing that connects Elder Centipede to Metal Bat to Garou to Genos, at Metal Bat chapters right now.

 

[Qawsedf234]

> I'm pretty sure articles actually detailed them supervising it.

Every manga authors supervises their anime to some degree. But we don't give Naruto his anime feats or Luffy his

> His cape being bald doesn't make sense.

Its a correct translation, but still a bad translation. In Japanese his name is ÒâÅÒé▓Òâ×Òâ│Òâê which is "Bald Cape/Cloak". A good translation however, would switch the names around. Them dropping the U in Garou is just something you can do I think. Like dropping the u from Jirou

> The towns are still likely to be farther than being just neighboring to those cities.

Sure, but the towns would still be closer than the major cities are to each other

> That supports Large Mountain to Island Dragon class threats though.

I don't think anyone scales to the meteor really (besides Saitama). Bang, Genos, and Metal Knight all failed to do anything to it. Besides Tornado I imagine that none of the S-Class could do much.


> On another note found a nifty little thing that connects Elder Centipede to Metal Bat to Garou to Genos, at Metal Bat chapters right now.

What is it?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Anyways after all this talking.

A-Class (besides Sweet Mask): Supersonic+ reactions for One Shot Wonder. Iaian could maybe be higher based on fighting Mel. Everyone should probably be Wall to City Block level

S-Class/Most Demons: High Hypersonic+ based on the meteor and CB to Town level. Atomic Samurai is MHS+ and Tornado doesn't change

Dragons: Likely Town/Large Town level and High Hypersonic+ depending on if we scale them to Vaccine Man or Suiryu's kick thing.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So Garou's base and Half monster would be what?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

S-Class/Most Demons: High Hypersonic+ based on the meteor and CB to Town level. Atomic Samurai is MHS+ and Tornado doesn't change

And Flashy Flash should also continue to have the same speed, I mean, Garou Awakened even when holding, his movements were very fast for Atomic Samurai which is an MHS+, and even before that he had a little dispute as Half Monster against Ogon Seishi that none of the Class S saw what happened, and Flashy Flash was told by Awakened Garou that if he were in his previous stage he would have lost badly, which means he is faster than Ogon Seishi which is much faster than Darkshine which can keep up with Bang with rest that can blitz multiple Dragon Levels while weakened that are comparable to Atomic Samurai.

 

[ByAsura]

Would Tornado stay the same? Her speed comes from scaling to the artillery shells, and it's made clear that she's way above almost everyone of the hero and monster associations.

Edit: I didn't see the Tornado thing. Just Atomic Samurai.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Those are the same artillery shells that the A class heroes reacted to. Only she had the capacity to defend against them.

By the way why are Dragon levels being nerfed again when they scaled from something else entirely?


@ Qaswed on your last msg I'm making a tier list as I read through the entire manga, I'll focus on this for now since what's being said has been said again.

But to note


Some A class heroes are able to react to certain monsters.

Nyan Nyan was able to put up a fight against Genos. Stinger and Lightning Genji was able to keep up in speed though Genji slipped up more than Genos.

Meanwhile certain characters like Max augment themselves with explosions

Golden Ball can shoot out attacks that nearly overwhelmed Garou, while drunk. While his partner Spring Mustache was able to overwhelm Garou consistently to the point that he had to take a hit.


And this Garou is one that scales to Genos who can overwhelm hypersonic SoS Sonic (Taking into account the number of sonic booms he left when facing Hammerhead much earlier on) so that's a very low output.

Bonus - Look at this cool thing https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-H_bvFDT4...A-rPe44Z55-WYF166gFvrPb0s0hQCHMYCw/s0/000.jpg

 

[Qawsedf234]

Tornado should stay the same with everything, since even in the current system she's Low 6-B, which is vastly all but three or four people as of now. Flashy Flash likely keeps his rating for the reasons above(who knows the manga could upgrade it), Garou and Half-Monster Garou are likely MCB to Large Town level. Demons and the other S-Class go down to MCB to Large Town as well. I imagine the Large Town people are the ones currently rated 7A since the chain scaling would still apply.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I imagine the Large Town people are the ones currently rated 7A since the chain scaling would still apply.

Then we should use Low 7-B.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Speed will likely be the hardest part to nail down. Since there's probably a way to scale even C/B Class people to Elder Centipede intercepting Genos's flame cannon. At the very least the A-Class should all probably be somewhere in the Super to Hypersonic range. The issue to me is deciding who gets the High Hypersonic stuff.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Low 7B works for me. But for verification we need to get whatever Genos feat we're using for scaling. Since the reason they're 7A right now is the basis that they're 7x BoS Genos.

 

[The_Causality]

How S class are High Hypersonic if Atomic Samurai have a Mach 3600?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

The issue to me is deciding who gets the High Hypersonic stuff.

The strongers A Class, probably Fubuki and the weakers S Class.

 

[Maraderchik]

>By the way why are Dragon levels being nerfed again when they scaled from something else entirely?

I post 2 page from webcomic , where Genos said - I could fight a level "dragon" with this.

Then Qawsedf said - That could probably get a Building or Large Building figure.

I thought by this, he means "Dragon level" probably should be Building or Large Building.

And this gonna escalate fast.

 

[ByAsura]

How S class are High Hypersonic if Atomic Samurai have a Mach 3600?

I'm pretty sure his slashes are way faster than he could run. Even people like Melz, Rhino, and Sonic can't react.

 

[The_Calaca]

First One Piece and now One Punch Man???!!!

I agree with Low 7-B.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It doesn't matter if he can't run faster than his own attack speed.

It's still his attack speed.

If a man shot at you with a pistol he still has a supersonic attack.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

guess wolfy and hellboy won't finish their match

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

guess wolfy and hellboy won't finish their match

If Garou is downgraded to Low 7-B, then I can make another match with their strongest Low 7-B versions >

 

[ByAsura]

@CoFB You missed the point entirely. My point just meant that the other S-Classes shouldn't scale to his attack speed.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@ Qawsedf234

Well, I think the characters that should continue as MHS + are: Atomic Samurai, Tatsumaki, Flashy Flash, Half Monster Garou (for having been able to have a little disputed with Ogon Seishi that Heroes S Class no managed to see), Orochi (as easily escorted Half Monster Garou while holding on), Psykos, Bang (when weakened multiple Dragon Levels that are comparable to Atomic Samurai), Darkshine (for being able to accompany a Bang with rest that is much faster than a weakened Bang), Carnage Kabuto as Carnage Mode (keep up with Darkshine using full power in VGS), Kuroi and Ogon Seishi.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

@Asura

The other heroes are still able to react to the shells. Bang, Prisoner, Metal Bat, look up. There should be me explaining that the heroes were looking up when those bullets fired.

Also agreeing with MGS+ for now on the S classes and maybe top A classes.

Currently on Monster War arc

 

[ByAsura]

Ok.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

kek

 

[Qawsedf234]

> How S class are High Hypersonic if Atomic Samurai have a Mach 3600?

As of now, there's only been a single person in the entire verse that has reacted to the Atomic Slash. Atomic Samurai is FTE to Sonic, he's FTE to Rhino Wrestler, Melzalgald was incapable of blocking or avoiding even a single attack from him, and even Kuroi Seishi could not react to the slash (in order to beat Samurai he had to rely on overwhelming him through massive numbers). Awakened Garou has been the only one who's been able to do anything to stop the slash.


> Heroes S Class no managed to see

I thought only Sweet Mask was the one who couldn't follow him. Atomic Samurai seemed to me to have kept up with their fight. At the very least he could see Awakened Garou's pre-MCGS Fist attacks when Zombie Man couldn't.

EDIT: It was Zombie Man that said he couldn't see him, not Sweet Mask.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

There's a separate MHS feet that they scale to regarding the bullets... And even then Atomic Samurai isn't the fastest. Where are you getting AS being FTE to Sonic? If you're talking about the audiobook can you link it again? Trying to find it.

Just because it shows him swinging at that speed doesn't mean he's the fastest. It has special effects but it already shows that Lightspeed Flash is faster than him despite having different visual effects.


The second > I'm not sure what you mean though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

> Where are you getting AS being FTE to Sonic? If you're talking about the audiobook can you link it again? Trying to find it.

Here

Kamikaze: hmph, I don't know where a B-Class hero could possibly get all that confidence…

Sonic draws first, but Kamikaze blocks sound of swords clashing Sonic: argh! That was fast! I didn't even see him draw his sword! This guy, he's no joke!

Kamikaze: You need a reality check. I've seen too many who gave up their lives so easily.

Sonic: tsk, you're pretty fast with a sword, but if I get serious, no sword slashes in the world can catch me…

My counter to the argument that Sonic can avoid AS is that he regularly overhypes himself like a good portion of OPM monsters (plus AS not actively attempting to kill him).


> It has special effects but it already shows that Lightspeed Flash is faster than him despite having different visual effects.

I'm not saying Atomic Samurai is the fastest in the OPMverse or even the fastest S-Class. I was just vocing why I think not everyone should scale to him. Flashy Flash scaling I get, but someone like Genos? I disagree completly.


> The second > I'm not sure what you mean though.

I believe that Atomic Samurai could follow Golden Sperm. He could see Garou's attacks before he created the Monster Clamity God Slayer Fist and without abandonment when Zombie Man could not . Zombie Man was also the one who said he couldn't see GS. Awakened Garou with Abandonment > Awakened Garou > Flashy Flash >~ Atomic Samurai basically.

 

[Ryukama]

Atomic Samurai is one of the fastest characters in the series who's blitzed other well known speedsters in the series. You can't scale every Demon and S-Class to him. Feats performed from A-Class fodders or low end S-Classes could be used for scaling though.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

@wafsd

Thankies for the link. Been looking for that

On your other part, no one is scaling anyone to AS... everyone is scaling to the spaceship feat.

Anyway that logic makes sense. Only covering the manga right now I'm at Suiryu's fight right now.

@Ryukama

We aren't. The one we're scaling to is the one where everyone reacts to the space ship that attacked everyone at A City. When they got Mel cornered

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Also importantly, do you guys want temporary separate keys for manga and webcomic?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Don't see much of a point currently. We're not super far away from the current Webcomic stuff.

> On your other part, no one is scaling anyone to AS... everyone is scaling to the spaceship feat.

The spaceship bullets are calced to be faster than AS's slashing speed. Considering that most Demons, Dragons, and the S-Class can't keep up with the Atomic Slash, them scaling to the bullets makes no sense.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It's not about the speed and whether they can react to that's the issue. If anything that just means AS is really superior to everyone who's on that speed level. It's the condition of how are they going to defend from that?

Example is the famous "You may have the speed to react, but what if it's going to hit everywhere around you and there's no room for you to dodge?"

 

[Qawsedf234]

So MHS+ perception speed but High Hypersonic Combat speed?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Nope. MHS+ all except movement speed. With AS bwing far higher than anyone thats not Tatsumaki.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Any S class part of the fight at least. mobile rn

 

[Ryope]

>By the way why are Dragon levels being nerfed again when they scaled from something else entirely?I post 2 page from webcomic , where Genos said - I could fight a level "dragon" with this.
Then Qawsedf said - That could probably get a Building or Large Building figure.

I thought by this, he means "Dragon level" probably should be Building or Large Building.

And this gonna escalate fast.

Size of the explosion mean absolutely nothing ,Genos in the beginning already did this and G4 Genos no sell this


No dragon level is just large building level that ridiculous,a fodder like Hammerhead who PPP easily fodder zone is lrage bulidng level

 

[Qawsedf234]

> Nope. MHS+ all except movement speed.

No one besides Saitama and possibly Flashy Flash have displayed that level of movement speed. Their combat speed being scaled to that also makes no sense to me considering Atomic Samurai is FTE to someone comparable to G4 Genos. Them being High Hypersonic+ makes more sense than MHS+.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

@Ryope

Dw we got over this no one is thankfully being nerfed to just Large Building level

@Qawsed

So basically you agree with me on:

• No one gets that as movement speed

• Everyone who participated in that fight gets that as combat reactions DUE to seeing the bullets heading for them.

• Atomic Samurai is way faster than everyone there that's not Tatsumaki on the fight against Melz.

And the only reason you're disagreeing is because

• It makes more sense to nerf them instead of considering the fact that they're superior to others in speed?

Hecking heck you can have someone be FTE to someone, and they're barely above them in speed. Wave your hand in front of you like really fast. It looks like it's FTE when it's not.