Onslaught vs Darth Sidious

[Huesito88]

Speed is equalized

Who wins?

Darth Sidious: 3

 

[Huesito88]

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[Raffney]

I do not know Onslaught very well but the few informations i have say he is superior to Sidious. Especially in battle. Taking on Franklin Richards and stuff..

 

[Huesito88]

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[Schnee_One]

I do not know Onslaught very well but the few informations i have say he is superior to Sidious. Especially in battle. Taking on Franklin Richards and stuff..

And Sidious took on Luke what's your point?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Franklin was inexperienced with his powers. Plus, they are even stated he was the most powerful mutant that ever existed in that very arc, while stated to be far from his full potential by Uatu & Apocalypse... so Onslaught manipulated Franklin.

What's stopping dear old Sidious from getting mindhaxxed though ?

 

[Schnee_One]

<Dear old Sidious

<Mindhaxed

?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I'm being serious. Onslaught has shown and scales to higher dimensional telepathy due to Uatu, Charles , Exodus , and the Celestials.

 

[Schnee_One]

Depends on if he leads with it, otherwise it's in reverse.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

To overpower Onslaught's mind, you'd need to overpower someone who tanked higher dimensional telepathy. May I ask how Sidioua would do that ?

 

[Schnee_One]

You said it scaled higher do you mean his mind hax and his resistance? Because for a second I thought you meant offensive wise.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Both offensive and defensive. So yeah... I meant resistance and mind hax is on that level.

 

[Huesito88]

wait did Onslaught gain all of this guys power? (if so I need to change this) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/X-Ma

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He had them trapped inside him. But... He couldn't use their power. They were resisting him pretty much.

 

[Raffney]

I do not know Onslaught very well but the few informations i have say he is superior to Sidious. Especially in battle. Taking on Franklin Richards and stuff..

And Sidious took on Luke what's your point?

Didn't know that Luke is anywhere near Franklin, that is my point. Thought that was obvious though..

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Like I said prior... Can Sidious do anything else to Onslaught before being destroyed by higher dimensional telepathic powers ?

 

[Raffney]

He can use his force ghost or whatever it's called to move around in the force itself somehow. But i think it can hardly be counted as higher dimensional manipulation. And i don't think he can do much harm with it considering the fact that he is killed/sealed in this form at the end.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm being serious. Onslaught has shown and scales to higher dimensional telepathy due to Uatu, Charles , Exodus , and the Celestials.

None of these characters are higher dimensional.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

.... I said telepathy.

 

[The_Everlasting]

And that changes what I said how?

 

[Schnee_One]

So what's the best Mind Hax from Onslaught then?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

It does. You're saying the character are higher-dimensional. I said they have higher-dimensional telepathic feats . Just like a Cosmic Cube has shown and was debated on this site to have higher-dimensional hax via BFR , despite being Low 2-C . I never once implied they are higher-dimensional in nature .

 

[Schnee_One]

Okay so....

When have they done so?

And better, are we sure it isn't an outlier?

 

[The_Everlasting]

It does. You're saying the character are higher-dimensional. I said they have higher-dimensional telepathic feats . Just like a Cosmic Cube has shown and was debated on this site to have higher-dimensional hax via BFR , despite being Low 2-C . I never once implied they are higher-dimensional in nature .

You are not providing any feats though.

Xavier does not have any higher dimensional mental abilities. Nor does Uatu.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I will... It just takes a bit to gather the feats.

Are you sure about that ? Uatu did it 3-4 times [ Here , Here , anda Watcher performing such a feat on their deathbed ] . I will gather Exodus and Charles in a bit.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The first image is not higher dimensional telepathy. It's just a range thing.

The other two links are blocked.

Regardless Xavier's best feats AFAIK is mind haxing planets, which is laughable compared to Sidious.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

We were talking strictly range though. That is why i mentioned it.

What is Sidious' best Mind hax ? Galaxy level or something ?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Superior to something that can mind hax the galaxy and potentially the universe.

 

[Schnee_One]

100 Quadrillion+ people to be exact.

 

[Raffney]

100 Quadrillion+ people to be exact.

Where is that stated? Just interested.

 

[Schnee_One]

Not sure, I think Ever can answer that however.

 

[Raffney]

I mean if he really could mind hax the whole galaxy on a level like Xavier (and everything i know states that he could not) then why start the war at all? Why was his goal even to "control the galaxy"?

 

[Schnee_One]

Because every Jedi worth a damn resists it.

 

[Raffney]

Thought it was pointed at the jedi.

I mean most of the galaxy did not care much about the sith and the republic at all. Seems a waste of effort to do that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Just because it's a waste of effort doesn't mean he can't.

 

[DarthPotent66]

I think I have found the necessary quotes about good old Palp's galactic scale mind hax.

The Emperor Reborn can control everyone in the whole galaxy with the dark side.

In place of the Empire and the New Republic, Palpatine planned to bring about a new form of galactic governance. He would use the dark side to control everything and everyone in the galaxy.What's more, he was capable of it. --Official Starships and Vehicle Collection #64

Note: The Galactic Empire, which contains more than one hundred quadrillion beings, is only a part of the whole galaxy. As such, the total number of beings would be much larger.

The known galaxy includes nearly a billion inhabited star systems, from uncharted settlements set up by smugglers to megapolis worlds where scarcely a meter of untouched ground remains. Nearly seventy million of those star systems were sufficiently populated for representation of some sort in the Galactic Empire, a vast bureucracy responsible for the affairs of more than one hundred quadrillion beings. --The Essential Atlas

I just recently found these in one of Azronger's super respect thread on comicvine.

 

[Raffney]

Emperor reborn means he was not able to do it when the empire rose to power. Also heavy use of would be and could be in that quote, is there any actual feat?

I mean hypothetically Vitiate is able to eat the galaxy, wouldn't call it a ability however only the theoretical peak of his power.

 

[DarthPotent66]

Emperor reborn means he was not able to do it when the empire rose to power. Also heavy use of would be and could be in that quote, is there any actual feat?

I mean hypothetically Vitiate is able to eat the galaxy, wouldn't call it a ability however only the theoretical peak of his power.

The OP didn't state which version of Sidious, so we're using emperor Palpatine reborn. No, there is no actual feat of it from what I recall, there's only the quote and that's it.

 

[Huesito88]

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