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Yeah, the Animes take awhile
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One-Punch Man Revisions. Downgrade speed.
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It is too long. Season 3 won't be out until at least the end of this year. Come on. We cannot ignore this achievement. You should take the option with static first, and then fix everything under the anime (when it comes out).
Nope. As you can see (red circle), Psykos's hand is quite large against the background of the general destruction. Even so, the bottom of the frame shows the part that Tatsumaki did not destroy (orange circle). Also, the entire destroyed area is rather crooked, which is how Tatsumaki deformed it. But on the scan with Genos's blast, it can be seen that this part of the tower is intact, and it is also much lower than the hand of Psykos. In addition, it is exactly straight, not curved, and it does not seem at all that it is deformed.
Only in a miniature frame does it seem that half of the tower is destroyed, but this same frame shows a tower with strange proportions, like Psykos, which has become much larger against the background of the tower. This is because small frames do not draw in detail. And as we can see, on large and detailed frames, only a small part of the top of the tower is squashed and curved, and took the untouched part for pixel scaling.
We can ask other people if they think that 3 more plates can fit there. At least 2 can definitely fit. It is a fact.
Why? He's a calc member. Ugarik asked a question about some things, and I answered him.
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This can go on forever. But my arguments about the speed of the explosion have already been given, there are quite a few of them, and there have not yet been intelligible arguments against them in this discussion. I see no reason why they shouldn't be used.
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But has he answered back?
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We can also see that Tatsumaki actually crushed only Psykos, and did not touch the tower. After all, the entire destroyed part is bleeding out in a fountain. Only the untouched part does not bleed.Nope. As you can see (red circle), Psykos's hand is quite large against the background of the general destruction. Even so, the bottom of the frame shows the part that Tatsumaki did not destroy (orange circle). Also, the entire destroyed area is rather crooked, which is how Tatsumaki deformed it. But on the scan with Genos's blast, it can be seen that this part of the tower is intact, and it is also much lower than the hand of Psykos. In addition, it is exactly straight, not curved, and it does not seem at all that it is deformed.
Only in a miniature frame does it seem that half of the tower is destroyed, but this same frame shows a tower with strange proportions, like Psykos, which has become much larger against the background of the tower. This is because small frames do not draw in detail. And as we can see, on large and detailed frames, only a small part of the top of the tower is squashed and curved, and took the untouched part for pixel scaling.
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Your evaluations help would be appreciated here.
Your evaluations help would be appreciated here.
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I agree with the downgrades
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I mean all i am seeing here are arguments about calcs, which i have no expertise in, and whether to use the anime or manga.
Don't think i can provide much input here.
Don't think i can provide much input here.
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The waterjet stuff is fine to downgrade in my view. The other stuff I'll have to take a more in-depth look through to get an answer on.
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No it isn't... it IS a calc group discussion!
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The Garou calc seems like wank to me. Beyond that, we really need to set a standard for what snail speed really is, assuming we haven't already. This link gives a bunch of values for snail speeds, and only one of them is below the commonly claimed "0.001 m/s". I'd prefer if 0.013 m/s was used personally.
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What I'm actually thinking about is that it's possible the speed of the snail and doesn't need to be used. Perhaps Garow called the speed of 0.1 m/s "barely moving." All the same, this is also very slow for such a projectile. It doesn't have to be static or a couple of centimeters per second.
Somehow this is all not reliable. But I would like to know the opinion of Flash's feat and the speed of the explosion.
Somehow this is all not reliable. But I would like to know the opinion of Flash's feat and the speed of the explosion.
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Yes, but a down payment is required.
First, it is totally useless for you to circle Psykos' hands, as they have been redone and were not the same size.
Psykos' hand does not exist here, she created black hands and notice something else, her body is coming out from the top of the tower which is totally crooked and twisted.
After that she remakes her body and consequently her arm.
ok
He is a calc member, but the calculations have not been evaluated and furthermore, he did not say that all calculations were accepted, he said that the recalculations are good.
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They need to evaluate all calcs in the OP and decide if they are better to use than the current ones or not
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Also like Epicheev mentioned, would it be better to put this in calc discussion?
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Yes
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Murata simply drew more comfortable proportions for the contact between Tatsumaki and Psykos. Later, Psaykos was still large against the background of the width of the tower, even the lower, untouched part of the tower.First, it is totally useless for you to circle Psykos' hands, as they have been redone and were not the same size.
Psykos' hand does not exist here, she created black hands and notice something else, her body is coming out from the top of the tower which is totally crooked and twisted.
After that she remakes her body and consequently her arm.
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Your point?
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Whatever is against his argument, he finds an excuse to say that it is Murata's art.
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The title of the thread.
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Rather, you specifically do not want to accept the fact that Murata changes proportions at his whim, and then restores them, and that the dimensions should always be judged by the most detailed scans, and not drawn in a more simplified style, especially considering that the size of Psikos will then become again as large as the width of the tower, which even at the very beginning, when Psykos was larger than the width of the tower, Tatsumaki's arms were visible from Psykos's chest.
Murata always drew with this approach. Garou's house that the Centipede ate was either as wide as the width of the Centipede's body, then 5-8 times smaller than it visually, and then it is generally indicated that the Centipede is 15 meters wide.
Beefcake is indicated as 270 meters, but when Saitama jumped to a height equal to his height, the horizon became round, as if they were at an altitude of tens of kilometers. Neighboring cities could be seen (Although the distance between these cities is like between countries, judging by the world map).
Always like this. I do not argue that Murata is a divine artist, but he doesn't care about proportions if it's easier for him to draw. I won't say anything about comedy frame's or poorly detailed ones, this is already a typical thing for many manga artists.
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1) Feat: Garou states that the spear accelerated by the jet of water "barely moves" in his eyes.
Currently used calculation: Old.
New calculation: My.
In this discussion, arguments have been made several times for ignoring this feat.
2) Feat: The Atomic Samurai reflected many beam of Psykos, which, after being reflected, flew tens of kilometers.
Calculation: M.
3) Feat: The Genos beam flew almost 9 kilometers faster than the Psykos beam 400 meters.
Calculation: Here.
4) Feat: The Sea King jumped more than 20 meters, while the raindrops barely move in slow mo.
Currently used calculation: Old.
New calculation: My.
5) Feat: Sonic reacts to the same jump of the Sea King from the previous calculation and manages to jump 4 meters, while the Sea King in the anime is about 20-30 centimeters.
Calculation: USklaverei.
There has been a lot of controversy about this calculation in this discussion. I and some are against it. Because we believe that using the features of anime animations (No, seriously, Sonic in manga and anime got scared of the Sea King at this moment because of the speed and managed to react only at the last moment, but at the same time, do you think Sonic is 20 times faster than the King?) is a wank. Moreover, in the manga, the Sea King was painted blurry in Sonic's eyes.
Likewise, this discussion provides arguments for using this calculation. I would like to ask you to first examine the discussion. Pls.
6) Feat: Iaian runs a long distance and cuts bullets while they are slowed down.
Currently used calculation: Old.
New calculation: My.
There was a lot of controversy on this topic in this discussion. There have been many arguments in favor of protecting the calculated distance, and there have also been many arguments in favor of the static dropping bullet version being wrong. There have also been many arguments in favor of defending the drop bullet version.
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Could some of you help us out by evaluating which of the above calculations that seem most reliable to use please?
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If it is so inconsistent why then is it using pixels if at all times it can give something different depending on the scale?Rather, you specifically do not want to accept the fact that Murata changes proportions at his whim, and then restores them, and that the dimensions should always be judged by the most detailed scans, and not drawn in a more simplified style, especially considering that the size of Psikos will then become again as large as the width of the tower, which even at the very beginning, when Psykos was larger than the width of the tower, Tatsumaki's arms were visible from Psykos's chest.
Murata always drew with this approach. Garou's house that the Centipede ate was either as wide as the width of the Centipede's body, then 5-8 times smaller than it visually, and then it is generally indicated that the Centipede is 15 meters wide.
Beefcake is indicated as 270 meters, but when Saitama jumped to a height equal to his height, the horizon became round, as if they were at an altitude of tens of kilometers. Neighboring cities could be seen (Although the distance between these cities is like between countries, judging by the world map).
Always like this. I do not argue that Murata is a divine artist, but he doesn't care about proportions if it's easier for him to draw. I won't say anything about comedy frame's or poorly detailed ones, this is already a typical thing for many manga artists.
You literally just want to use what suits you and ignore the rest, you've been doing it since the beginning to shove it down your throat.
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the Sea King was painted blurry in Sonic's eyes.
How much dishonesty my friend, this is not Sonic's vision, where did you get it from? This is showing that the DSK is in motion and different from it, we can see the drops perfectly
Another thing that must also be done, you cannot use the distance found in the manga to calculate how much DSK has moved in the anime, they are different.
In the anime he comes from the vertical and the distance he travels is very small, this will reduce the results a lot since there, if he has covered 5 meters it is a lot.
How much dishonesty my friend, this is not Sonic's vision, where did you get it from? This is showing that the DSK is in motion and different from it, we can see the drops perfectly
Another thing that must also be done, you cannot use the distance found in the manga to calculate how much DSK has moved in the anime, they are different.
In the anime he comes from the vertical and the distance he travels is very small, this will reduce the results a lot since there, if he has covered 5 meters it is a lot.
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Head DSK height = 0.525 meters = 61 px
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(61 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 6.446 meters
Head DSK height = 0.525 meters = 177 px
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(177 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 2.221 meters
Total distance traveled = 6.446 - 2.221 = 4.225 meters
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(61 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 6.446 meters
Head DSK height = 0.525 meters = 177 px
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(177 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 2.221 meters
Total distance traveled = 6.446 - 2.221 = 4.225 meters
- DSK’s Speed = 4.225 / 0.00159655561 = 2646.32 m/s; Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
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Oof, that's an ouch
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By the way, in the scans shows how the feats are different from the manga for anime
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This is clearly seen in the manga. In the anime, this was not visualized, making the Sea King's movement rather slow.the Sea King was painted blurry in Sonic's eyes.
How much dishonesty my friend, this is not Sonic's vision, where did you get it from? This is showing that the DSK is in motion and different from it, we can see the drops perfectly
Another thing that must also be done, you cannot use the distance found in the manga to calculate how much DSK has moved in the anime, they are different.
In the anime he comes from the vertical and the distance he travels is very small, this will reduce the results a lot since there, if he has covered 5 meters it is a lot.
IF manga and anime are somehow different, the version from the manga is taken.
But in the case of raindrops, we do not know the speed of their movements in the manga, in principle, so we take the anime.
Nothing vile. It's all true.
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Is it exactly 1 second?Head DSK height = 0.525 meters = 61 px
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(61 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 6.446 meters
Head DSK height = 0.525 meters = 177 px
Screen = 1049 px
Distance = 0.525 * 1049 /(177 * 2 * tan(35deg)) = 2.221 meters
Total distance traveled = 6.446 - 2.221 = 4.225 meters
- DSK’s Speed = 4.225 / 0.00159655561 = 2646.32 m/s; Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
In fact, the Sea King traveled this distance for more than one second inside their slow mo. He covered this distance in 23 frames, a total of 24 frames in one second. But it doesn't matter.
In any case, in the manga, this movement looks much faster, because the Sea King is drawn more blurry. Therefore, it is better to take one second.
By the way, where did the data on the size of the head of the Sea King come from? It will be useful to me in the future.
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No, I don't know where you got that this was Sonic's vision, since we are shown the POV with Sonic right below, so tell me, how the hell is Sonic's vision?
Wait, how is it? If the Anime and manga are different, do we get the manga version? ahashhashash has never been like this and will never be, the manga is the main one, if the anime is different, it is not used.
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