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One-Punch Man Revisions. Downgrade speed.

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Emirp sumitpo said:
I'm pretty sure that is never stated, it's only for Saitama's clothing. He only launched things at near light speed, and it was concluded that his regular speed should be comparable to the speed which he throws things
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Not. It was said that part of Boros' aura is transferred to Saitama, so his suit did not burn out in the atmosphere when he flew to the moon. So Boros has an aura.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Not. It was said that part of Boros' aura is transferred to Saitama, so his suit did not burn out in the atmosphere when he flew to the moon. So Boros has an aura.
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That's what I'm saying, the aura is never stated to protect Boros from anything, which is what you stated.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Nothing indicates that in the quote at all.
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It is stated that Saitama's clothes did not burn in the atmosphere because Boros' energy (i.e., the aura) was transferred to him. This means that it is this energy that protects against frictional forces. So Boros has one, since it was passed on to Saitama.

So it protects Boros from friction in the same way that it protects Saitama's suit from friction.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
@Antvasima

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.
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Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

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In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.
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So, with this in mind, what can you tell us about the Atomic Slash and the speed of Gelganshp?
 
DarthSpiderr said:
It is stated that Saitama's clothes did not burn in the atmosphere because Boros' energy (i.e., the aura) was transferred to him. This means that it is this energy that protects against frictional forces. So Boros has one, since it was passed on to Saitama.

So it protects Boros from friction in the same way that it protects Saitama's suit from friction.
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It's only stated to protect Saitama's clothes tho, it doesn't indicate Boros will be burn by frictional hear
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
It's only stated to protect Saitama's clothes tho, it doesn't indicate Boros will be burn by frictional hear
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This sounds ridiculous.

Do you think Boros has an energy that protects from the frictional force of others when hitting, but not himself?

Then why does his energy have such a property? Why would One add such a useless property to his aura? Why would Boros protect others from friction, but not himself?
 
Because it's never stated that he needs it to protect himself? It doesn't imply he'll burn up without it.
 
USklaverei said:
Even if we give Atomic reaction speed, no one is going to scale that up
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Why? Black Sperm could often attack the Samurai before he could react.

Samurai is certainly much faster, but Sperm can somehow scale to him. In addition, Atomic Samurai noted that Bang is pretty fast. Bang will also scale from this.

Plus, I noticed one thing

Bang launched his attack with the FSRSF. Then, Atomic Samurai started Atomic Slash. While both of them were attacking, Bang finished earlier and Atomic Samurai later.

I'm not saying Bang is faster. He started earlier, so he finished earlier. But since he manages to deliver blows for the moment while the Atomic Slash occurs, his speed should be comparable to the Atomic Slash.
 
No, BS never oppressed AS for speed but for quantity, he completely surrounded AS and attacked him, this has nothing to do with overcoming his reaction, moreover, even during that, AS cut through the ceiling without him noticing.

No, these are different pages and cannot be compared, one thing has nothing to do with the other, not to know which one was first or last just because they are different pictures.
 
Yeah. Atomic Samurai blitzed Black Sperm, it should not scale to his Atomic Slash at all. It seems weird to me.
 
USklaverei said:
No, BS never oppressed AS for speed but for quantity, he completely surrounded AS and attacked him, this has nothing to do with overcoming his reaction, moreover, even during that, AS cut through the ceiling without him noticing.

No, these are different pages and cannot be compared, one thing has nothing to do with the other, not to know which one was first or last just because they are different pictures.
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Unlike the Gelganshp scan, where everything happened on one scan, Bang's attack takes place in the first frame, and Atomic Samurai in the second frame. So this action happened earlier. Considering that Atomic Samurai comments Bang as fast and they are rivals that compete, this doesn't sound like an outlier.

In any case, when the Atomic Samurai reflected the Psykorochi beams, he did not use Atomic Slash. He just deflected the beam with a few strokes of the sword. The Atomic Slash was only used to cut through the building.
Enemies can often issue attacks to each other that they cannot see. In real life, a boxer can dodge a blow that he does not have time to notice. But they are still comparable. Especially considering that often the Atomic Samurai did not have time to dodge the attacks of Spermium and did not even have time to inflict Atomic Slash.
 
I think Sperm should have the speed "At least High Hypersonic+, at most Massively Hypersonic+".

Because he can keep up with the Atomic Samurai in speed. But he almost never has time to react to his attacks (except for the very first slash).

Either way, Bang scales to Atomic Samurai.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
I think Sperm should have the speed "At least High Hypersonic+, at most Massively Hypersonic+".

Because he can keep up with the Atomic Samurai in speed. But he almost never has time to react to his attacks (except for the very first slash).

Either way, Bang scales to Atomic Samurai.
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Black Sperm stomped Atomic Samurai thanks to its overwhelming copies. There must be times that Atomic Samurai will stop and that is when Black Sperm will brutalise him. He cannot slice 24/24. Black Sperm was technically blitzed by Atomic Samurai.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
"At least High Hypersonic+, at most Massively Hypersonic+".

Because he can keep up with the Atomic Samurai in speed. But he almost never has time to react to his attacks (except for the very first slash).
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I doubt that, consistently BS couldn't dodge AM's attacks
 
But the question is not about whether he uses Atomic Slash or not, but that the speed of his arm is much greater than his speed of movement.
Yes, he didn't have time to dodge BS attacks because they are physically comparable, but what makes AS superior is the movement of his arm.
 
Kin201 said:
Black Sperm stomped Atomic Samurai thanks to its overwhelming copies. There must be times that Atomic Samurai will stop and that is when Black Sperm will brutalise him. He cannot slice 24/24. Black Sperm was technically blitzed by Atomic Samurai.
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He struck with his fist at the Samurai with the copy towards which the Atomic Samurai was looking. It was not a blow from the back, so as not to react to it. He would react if he was over 100 times faster than Sperm. Therefore, it should scale up to it, but it is still slower.
 
It is a pity that Murata redrawn the fight between Sperm and Samurai. The sperm in old version could attack the Samurai faster than he could inflict the Converged Atomic Slash, as Samurai himself said.
 
Which doesn't make any sense and it becomes a ridiculous circular scale.
It is being argued that Atomic Slash scales to AS reaction speed, BS scales to AS reaction by pressing it, but BS cannot react to Atomic Slash.
This dimensioning is very good, worthy of an Oscar.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
He struck with his fist at the Samurai with the copy towards which the Atomic Samurai was looking. It was not a blow from the back, so as not to react to it. He would react if he was over 100 times faster than Sperm. Therefore, it should scale up to it, but it is still slower.
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Because Atomic Samura must have needed 0.2 - 0.3 seconds or so to cooldown his Atomic Slash so that he can use the technique again. That is enough time for Black Sperm to brutalise him especially if he was surrounded by thousands of it already. The instant he stops his Atomic Slash, he gets brutalised instantly.

He did react to this one, but could not do anything because he was surrounded, there was no way for him to escape.
 
Black Sperm Never seeing to Dodging Atomic Slash Cuz He Never want to do that.
And if he was Faster large Number of quantity not gonna take Atomic down Since He managed To Blitz them All
 
DarthSpiderr said:
@Antvasima

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.
ooEef1eQuB8.jpg


Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

OnePunchMan_ch106_pg24-25.png


In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.
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@Andytrenom @Celestial_Pegasus @Elizhaa @GyroNutz @AKM sama

Would you be willing to help out with evaluating this please?
 
@Antvasima
I have one question.

This calculation was one of the three сalk members accepted in this discussion. But nobody accepted it in the comments.

I was told that until it is accepted in the comments individually, it cannot be used in profiles.

Is this true, or can I add this to my profile because all calculations were accepted in the discussion?
 
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