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One-Punch Man Revisions. Downgrade speed.

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Emirp sumitpo said:
I'm not sure about the Genos part tbh, that would result in a lot of other characters getting possibly Relativistic, and I'm pretty sure genos also gets stronger in speed when fighting Psykorochi
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I just remembered something. While racing with a weakened Psykos, Genos used a 10 second mode when fused with the Tech Knight. Even so, they were comparable in speed. As you remember, Genos was overloaded after that, because he used the 10 second mode for more than 10 seconds. Without the 10 second mode, it was also comparable to her.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Fuhrer Ugly scales.
He caught up to Bang while Bang had a head start.
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Bang just ran to the side (or rather jumped). Most likely, he did not use all the speed for this.

Moreover, in the future, he reacted without any difficulty to the attacks of the Fuehrer at the last moment, and also inflicted a bunch of blows to which the Fuehrer did not have time to react. Bang is much faster.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Are you aware that One oversaw the production of the anime? The entire plot of the first and second seasons, all the new scenes are there, all the OVs in the anime are made according to the script of One , and he oversaw the production. Characters from new anime scenes even appear occasionally in the manga.
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By that logic let's apply the meteor feat to Tatsumaki's profile. Let's say Gouketsu's cloud split feat was done with just one punch when we clearly see in the manga four blows looking at the kanji. Let's say Geryu can create black holes...
 
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ImposingTiger said:
By that logic let's apply the meteor feat to Tatsumaki's profile. Let's say Gouketsu's cloud split feat was done with just one punch when we clearly see in the manga four blows looking at the kanji. Let's say Geryu can create black holes...
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Well, here I don't know. Sometimes things appear in the manga that were only in the anime and anime OVs. But on the other hand, a black hole is too much. In addition, One said that the moment with the meteorite was made by mistake. Moments that were in both the manga and anime, but different in the anime, such as 4 punch, should be ignored in the anime version.

But still, we usually take the timeframe from anime. This site assumes the anime timeframes> the timeframes we got out of our head.
 
This is really a wank.
The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshp's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this frame Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

BTW SPEAKING. Murata said that Gelganshp can throw stones at sub-light speed because it removes the friction force from them, this can be seen from the aura around them. But at the same time, Gelganshp itself is close to them in speed in your opinion. It would also burn out if it moved at a speed close to this.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Well, here I don't know. Sometimes things appear in the manga that were only in the anime and anime OVs. But on the other hand, a black hole is too much. In addition, One said that the moment with the meteorite was made by mistake. Moments that were in both the manga and anime, but different in the anime, such as 4 punch, should be ignored in the anime version.

But still, we usually take the timeframe from anime. This site assumes the anime timeframes> the timeframes we got out of our head.
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I agree for using anime timeframe for any Calculation of this Verse, since One get involved for Anime Production. Its would be the Second Canon, no?
 
WrongIdea21 said:
I agree for using anime timeframe for any Calculation of this Verse, since One get involved for Anime Production. Its would be the Second Canon, no?
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The reasoning, "One is involved with the anime's production," Isn't valid at all. There are so many things in the anime that contradicts the manga, Usk and ImposingTiger already mentioned some. You can't just go with the anime's timeframe based off of that flaw reasoning.
 
Kachon123 said:
The reasoning, "One is involved with the anime's production," Isn't valid at all. There are so many things in the anime that contradicts the manga, Usk and ImposingTiger already mentioned some. You can't just go with the anime's timeframe based off of that flaw reasoning.
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No i mean, if that any contradiction or inconsistent things then we'll not gonna used it. But if no, its would be better to take anime than Assuming the timeframe.
 
Kachon123 said:
The reasoning, "One is involved with the anime's production," Isn't valid at all. There are so many things in the anime that contradicts the manga, Usk and ImposingTiger already mentioned some. You can't just go with the anime's timeframe based off of that flaw reasoning.
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What do you think of anime OVA's? There are plots there that are not in the manga. They are usually comedic, but canonically (at least in relation to anime, for sure, possibly also to manga, because their plot was written by ONE). In them, Garou's human was equal in the speed of the battle and in the skills of Suiryu (one cannot say about physical strength, because it was a fight inside the VR game, they fought standing at a distance of 7 meters from each other, fought remotely). Also, Sonic was FTE for Metalic Bat.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
What do you think of anime OVA's? There are plots there that are not in the manga. They are usually comedic, but canonically (at least in relation to anime, for sure, possibly also to manga, because their plot was written by ONE). In them, Garou's human was equal in the speed of the battle and in the skills of Suiryu (one cannot say about physical strength, because it was a fight inside the VR game, they fought standing at a distance of 7 meters from each other, fought remotely). Also, Sonic was FTE for Metalic Bat.
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Another good point.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
No i mean, if that any contradiction or inconsistent things then we'll not gonna used it. But if no, its would be better to take anime than Assuming the timeframe.
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Yes, I understand that, but you can't use, One overseeing the anime as your justification.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
What do you think of anime OVA's? There are plots there that are not in the manga. They are usually comedic, but canonically (at least in relation to anime, for sure, possibly also to manga, because their plot was written by ONE). In them, Garou's human was equal in the speed of the battle and in the skills of Suiryu (one cannot say about physical strength, because it was a fight inside the VR game, they fought standing at a distance of 7 meters from each other, fought remotely). Also, Sonic was FTE for Metalic Bat.
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Like I said, it's situational. If you just using that same reasoning, it doesn't make sense.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
This is really a wank.
The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshp's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this frame Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

BTW SPEAKING. Murata said that Gelganshp can throw stones at sub-light speed because it removes the friction force from them, this can be seen from the aura around them. But at the same time, Gelganshp itself is close to them in speed in your opinion. It would also burn out if it moved at a speed close to this.
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Okay, in that regard nobody can have speed Relativisticas in the verse, consequently anything that goes beyond that, is wrong, that is, something else against the calculation of Flashy and the ninjas
 
Kachon123 said:
Yes, I understand that, but you can't use, One overseeing the anime as your justification.
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I thinks One Just " overseeing " The Anime on Key Scene And Fighting Scene not All of episodes.
Anyway can you shown that any of scene wich is Contradicted or Inconsistent from the manga?
 
DarthSpiderr said:
BTW SPEAKING. Murata said that Gelganshp can throw stones at sub-light speed because it removes the friction force from them, this can be seen from the aura around them. But at the same time, Gelganshp itself is close to them in speed in your opinion. It would also burn out if it moved at a speed close to this
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Sub Rel isn't close to lightspeed.
 
Hmm. There is still not enough staff input here.

If somebody knowledgeable writes a summary of the suggestions, discussion, and conclusions so far, it would be much easier for them to evaluate.
 
USklaverei said:
Okay, in that regard nobody can have speed Relativisticas in the verse, consequently anything that goes beyond that, is wrong, that is, something else against the calculation of Flashy and the ninjas
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Maybe. Except for Boros and Saitama. Boros has an aura that protects him from friction, and Saitama is the strongest character ever made up. By the way, if for near-light attacks Boros needs an aura so as not to burn out in the atmosphere, then should Saitama's profile be supplemented with a new resist?
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Maybe. Except for Boros and Saitama. Boros has an aura that protects him from friction, and Saitama is the strongest character ever made up. By the way, if for near-light attacks Boros needs an aura so as not to burn out in the atmosphere, then should Saitama's profile be supplemented with a new resist?
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What resistance exactly? If you're talking about heat, then Saitama already has that
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. There is still not enough staff input here.

If somebody knowledgeable writes a summary of the suggestions, discussion, and conclusions so far, it would be much easier for them to evaluate.
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@Antvasima

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.
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Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

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In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.

Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.

The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time, BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to. He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.

We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist. He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with. Samurai even called him "nimble".

Now about scaling Bang. He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.

Bang is capable of striking while the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.

I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).
 
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DarthSpiderr said:
In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.
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I'm pretty sure that is never stated, it's only for Saitama's clothing. He only launched things at near light speed, and it was concluded that his regular speed should be comparable to the speed which he throws things
 
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