One-Punch Man Revisions. Downgrade speed.

[DarthSpiderr]

Why does Fubuki have a reaction through the Overgrown, but Iaian doesn't have a reaction through Evil Nature Water?
I only mean reaction, no combat speed or movement speed.

If you say that this is an "outlier" then we should also remove Fubuki's reaction through the Overgrown.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fubuki isn't outlier what??

 

[WrongIdea21]

Im neutral about Fubuki.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Fubuki isn't outlier what??

Fubuki didn't do any workouts. Her psychic abilities have increased due to a dire and deadly dangerous situation. But this should not affect her reaction speed in any way.

Ian consistently responds to the attacks of the Evil Natural Water.

It's just weird that many people think that Ian reacting to Water is an outlier, but Fubuki reacting to Overgrown is not.

Both feats are not outlier.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fubuki didn't do any workouts. Her psychic abilities have increased due to a dire and deadly dangerous situation. But this should not affect her reaction speed in any way.

Ian consistently responds to the attacks of the Evil Natural Water.

It's just weird that many people think that Ian reacting to Water is an outlier, but Fubuki reacting to Overgrown is not.

Both feats are not outlier.

I don't Ian reacting to ENW is an outlier tho, considering Iaian is stated to be almost S-Class level and is laughably faster than other A-Class heroes

 

[DarthSpiderr]

We need more votes for Iaian to have High Hypersonic with High Hypersonic+ reaction through Evil Natural Water.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

What do you think of this OVA? ONE wrote her script. In her, Suiryu and Garou were equal in skill and speed.

But not in terms of physical strength, because they did not touch each other, they fought at a distance from each other. But in terms of speed and combat skills.

Strangely, sometimes Suiryu screamed in pain when he was hit by Garou, just as Garou made heavy noises when he was hit by Suiryu. Perhaps they really beat each other?

 

[Antvasima]

So can somebody summarise the conclusions so far here please?

 

[USklaverei]

It's literally something mystical. He physically could not touch the BS because of the ball. BS really specifically allows itself to be cut.

Yes, in a situation like this where we can see BS clearly irritated by being cut, but he left.
How long will you be making excuses for everything that is against your arguments? I have already explained why this ridiculous circular scale does not make any sense to you.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

So can somebody summarise the conclusions so far here please?

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Andytrenom is neutral in relation to Gelganshp's speed. But agree about the Atomic Samurai. Other admins did not express their opinion.​

WrongIdea21 and I agree that Gelganshp does not have a Relativistic reaction. Likewise, we agree that Black Sperm scales to Atomic Samurai (USk disagrees. Emirp's opinion is unknown.).

Sonic will unanimously be the MHS.

Emirp and I agree that Iaian should have a HH+ reaction through Evil Natural Water, no one else has spoken out on this. But no one has yet been against it.

The question was raised about scaling Suiryu to Human Garou through the anime OVA, in which they fought on equal terms in a VR game where the program recorded their movements (But the AP most likely does not scale, because they most likely did not touch each other. far from each other and beat the air. But perhaps they really touched each other, because they flew back from each other's blows and sometimes screamed in pain). The OVA anime scripts is written by ONE. Nobody expressed their opinion.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Yes, in a situation like this where we can see BS clearly irritated by being cut, but he left.
How long will you be making excuses for everything that is against your arguments? I have already explained why this ridiculous circular scale does not make any sense to you.

If the Atomic Samurai was more than 100 times faster than the BS, it would react to an open strike. Also, Atomic Slash is not some kind of magic trick. These are just sweeping strikes of the Samurai at their own speed. The fact that he does not have time to inflict Atomic Slash indicates that he does not have time to move his hand fast enough to strike, because he is interrupted. The moment with Tatsumaki's force field is probably not an indication of speed. He clearly didn’t do it with his sword swing, because he couldn’t touch the BS. Perhaps he can attack with slashes without swinging his sword.

 

[Antvasima]

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Andytrenom is neutral in relation to Gelganshp's speed. But agree about the Atomic Samurai. Other admins did not express their opinion.​

WrongIdea21 and I agree that Gelganshp does not have a Relativistic reaction. Likewise, we agree that Black Sperm scales to Atomic Samurai (USk disagrees. Emirp's opinion is unknown.).

Sonic will unanimously be the MHS.

Emirp and I agree that Iaian should have a HH+ reaction through Evil Natural Water, no one else has spoken out on this. But no one has yet been against it.

The question was raised about scaling Suiryu to Human Garou through the anime OVA, in which they fought on equal terms in a VR game where the program recorded their movements (But the AP most likely does not scale, because they most likely did not touch each other. far from each other and beat the air. But perhaps they really touched each other, because they flew back from each other's blows and sometimes screamed in pain). The OVA anime scripts is written by ONE. Nobody expressed their opinion.

It seems like we need another good and easy to understand explanation of what needs to be done here along with the associated arguments for and against then, so we can get more staff members to evaluate it, and we can reach conclusions here. Because otherwise you can argue here with other regular members for a year, and nothing is still going to happen.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

It seems like we need another good and easy to understand explanation of what needs to be done here along with the associated arguments for and against then, so we can get more staff members to evaluate it, and we can reach conclusions here. Because otherwise you can argue here with other regular members for a year, and nothing is still going to happen.

Okay. First, I will repeat my text about Gelganshp and the Atomic Samurai above. Then, I will add new topics for discussion (Sonic, Suiryu, and so on).

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Geryuganshoop​

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.

Atomic Slash​

Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.

Black Sperm​

Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.

The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time, BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to. He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.

We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist. He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with. Samurai even called him "nimble".

Bang​

Now about scaling Bang. He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.

Bang is capable of striking while the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.

I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).

Sonic​

Genos has a speed of at least Mach 63.45. But Sonic is capable of creating as many as 4 afterimages in his eyes. But later on, he shows that he is capable of creating 10 afterimages for Genos. As we know, when a character is sequentially depicted for another in slow mo or moves for him at FTE speed, we multiply his speed by 1.5 times, as we did with the wet Sea King, because he was close in speed to Sonic, but before he moved for Sonic in slow motion.

Earlier, I thought along this logic:

If he create 2 afterimages for Genos, then it would already be FTE and there would already be a difference of 1.5 times. So 4 afterimages is 2 times more afterimages, hence 2 times faster (3 times faster than Genos). And 10 afterimages are 2.5 times more than 4 afterimages. Consequently, he is 7.5 times faster than Genos, that is, Mach 475.87. Or perhaps 10 times faster than Genos, as he leaves 10 afterimages for him.

But as I was told, we can only multiply once by 1.5 times.

This means that a technique that leaves 4 afterimages in Genos's eyes is 1.5 times faster than Genos (Mach 95.17). But a technique that leaves 10 afterimages is marketed as much faster than a technique with 4 afterimages. This means that it is at least 1.5 times faster than this technique (Mach 142.76). This means he is faster than Genos by a total of 2.25 times faster. This is a pretty mundane result. Be that as it may, after the first multiplication of 1.5 times, Sonic only needs to be 5% faster to be an MHS. As much as the 10 afterimage technique is faster, it must be fast enough to be MHS grade.

Iaian and Evil Nature Water​

Iaian has a speed of Mach 42.3. But Evil Spring Water has a speed of Mach 63.45. We cannot scale all of Iaian's speed through this Water, because it is on a different level (Dragon, Monster Association Officer) and that would be Outlier. But we can scale his reactions to Water. We did that with Fubuki.

Iaian is shown to be consistently capable of responding to it. As well as characters comparable him in speed.

Suiryu​

There is an anime OVA. In it, Suiryu and Human Garou fought inside the VR game. This game completely copies their movements. They are quite comfortable fighting against each other and it is hard for them. The program can keep up with their movement speed (Except for the most recent hit).

All OVs are written from ONE's script. This means that the abilities of all characters are canonical.

This tells us that Suiryu and Garou are equal in speed and fighting skills. Because they react to each other and the game completely copies their movements.

To show fully open combat, the anime inserts their real bodies instead of their avatar models.

But, is AP scalable? We do not know. Perhaps they don't really touch each other. They fight each other from a distance. BUT! They often scream in pain when they hit each other. Also, they can push each other away with blows, because of him they fly back. And even push each other.

Perhaps they really hit and touch each other?

There is one factor that has led some to oppose this scaling. King defeated Suiryu. But this is due to the fact that King plays with a gamepad, and does not attack with his body. And he knows the combo.

Does Suiryu scale in speed to Human Garou? Does AP Suiryu scale to Human Garou?


That's all for now. Also, I would like my calculation with the Atomic Samurai to be approved in the comments. It is very important. It was already accepted in this discussion, but I need it to be accepted in the comments as well due to some problems with USk.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Geryuganshoop​

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.

Atomic Slash​

Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.

Black Sperm​

Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.

The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time, BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to. He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.

We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist. He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with. Samurai even called him "nimble".

Bang​

Now about scaling Bang. He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.

Bang is capable of striking while the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.

I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).

Sonic​

Genos has a speed of at least Mach 63.45. But Sonic is capable of creating as many as 4 afterimages in his eyes. But later on, he shows that he is capable of creating 10 afterimages for Genos. As we know, when a character is sequentially depicted for another in slow mo or moves for him at FTE speed, we multiply his speed by 1.5 times, as we did with the wet Sea King, because he was close in speed to Sonic, but before he moved for Sonic in slow motion.

Earlier, I thought along this logic:

If he create 2 afterimages for Genos, then it would already be FTE and there would already be a difference of 1.5 times. So 4 afterimages is 2 times more afterimages, hence 2 times faster (3 times faster than Genos). And 10 afterimages are 2.5 times more than 4 afterimages. Consequently, he is 7.5 times faster than Genos, that is, Mach 475.87. Or perhaps 10 times faster than Genos, as he leaves 10 afterimages for him.

But as I was told, we can only multiply once by 1.5 times.

This means that a technique that leaves 4 afterimages in Genos's eyes is 1.5 times faster than Genos (Mach 95.17). But a technique that leaves 10 afterimages is marketed as much faster than a technique with 4 afterimages. This means that it is at least 1.5 times faster than this technique (Mach 142.76). This means he is faster than Genos by a total of 2.25 times faster. This is a pretty mundane result. Be that as it may, after the first multiplication of 1.5 times, Sonic only needs to be 5% faster to be an MHS. As much as the 10 afterimage technique is faster, it must be fast enough to be MHS grade.

Iaian and Evil Nature Water​

Iaian has a speed of Mach 42.3. But Evil Spring Water has a speed of Mach 63.45. We cannot scale all of Iaian's speed through this Water, because it is on a different level (Dragon, Monster Association Officer) and that would be Outlier. But we can scale his reactions to Water. We did that with Fubuki.

Iaian is shown to be consistently capable of responding to it. As well as characters comparable him in speed.

Suiryu​

There is an anime OVA. In it, Suiryu and Human Garou fought inside the VR game. This game completely copies their movements. They are quite comfortable fighting against each other and it is hard for them. The program can keep up with their movement speed (Except for the most recent hit).

All OVs are written from ONE's script. This means that the abilities of all characters are canonical.

This tells us that Suiryu and Garou are equal in speed and fighting skills. Because they react to each other and the game completely copies their movements.

To show fully open combat, the anime inserts their real bodies instead of their avatar models.

But, is AP scalable? We do not know. Perhaps they don't really touch each other. They fight each other from a distance. BUT! They often scream in pain when they hit each other. Also, they can push each other away with blows, because of him they fly back. And even push each other.

Perhaps they really hit and touch each other?

There is one factor that has led some to oppose this scaling. King defeated Suiryu. But this is due to the fact that King plays with a gamepad, and does not attack with his body. And he knows the combo.

Does Suiryu scale in speed to Human Garou? Does AP Suiryu scale to Human Garou?


That's all for now. Also, I would like my calculation with the Atomic Samurai to be approved in the comments. It is very important. It was already accepted in this discussion, but I need it to be accepted in the comments as well due to some problems with USk.

@Antvasima

 

[Antvasima]

Geryuganshoop​

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.

Atomic Slash​

Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.

Black Sperm​

Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.

The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time, BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to. He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.

We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist. He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with. Samurai even called him "nimble".

Bang​

Now about scaling Bang. He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.

Bang is capable of striking while the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.

I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).

Sonic​

Genos has a speed of at least Mach 63.45. But Sonic is capable of creating as many as 4 afterimages in his eyes. But later on, he shows that he is capable of creating 10 afterimages for Genos. As we know, when a character is sequentially depicted for another in slow mo or moves for him at FTE speed, we multiply his speed by 1.5 times, as we did with the wet Sea King, because he was close in speed to Sonic, but before he moved for Sonic in slow motion.

Earlier, I thought along this logic:

If he create 2 afterimages for Genos, then it would already be FTE and there would already be a difference of 1.5 times. So 4 afterimages is 2 times more afterimages, hence 2 times faster (3 times faster than Genos). And 10 afterimages are 2.5 times more than 4 afterimages. Consequently, he is 7.5 times faster than Genos, that is, Mach 475.87. Or perhaps 10 times faster than Genos, as he leaves 10 afterimages for him.

But as I was told, we can only multiply once by 1.5 times.

This means that a technique that leaves 4 afterimages in Genos's eyes is 1.5 times faster than Genos (Mach 95.17). But a technique that leaves 10 afterimages is marketed as much faster than a technique with 4 afterimages. This means that it is at least 1.5 times faster than this technique (Mach 142.76). This means he is faster than Genos by a total of 2.25 times faster. This is a pretty mundane result. Be that as it may, after the first multiplication of 1.5 times, Sonic only needs to be 5% faster to be an MHS. As much as the 10 afterimage technique is faster, it must be fast enough to be MHS grade.

Iaian and Evil Nature Water​

Iaian has a speed of Mach 42.3. But Evil Spring Water has a speed of Mach 63.45. We cannot scale all of Iaian's speed through this Water, because it is on a different level (Dragon, Monster Association Officer) and that would be Outlier. But we can scale his reactions to Water. We did that with Fubuki.

Iaian is shown to be consistently capable of responding to it. As well as characters comparable him in speed.

Suiryu​

There is an anime OVA. In it, Suiryu and Human Garou fought inside the VR game. This game completely copies their movements. They are quite comfortable fighting against each other and it is hard for them. The program can keep up with their movement speed (Except for the most recent hit).

All OVs are written from ONE's script. This means that the abilities of all characters are canonical.

This tells us that Suiryu and Garou are equal in speed and fighting skills. Because they react to each other and the game completely copies their movements.

To show fully open combat, the anime inserts their real bodies instead of their avatar models.

But, is AP scalable? We do not know. Perhaps they don't really touch each other. They fight each other from a distance. BUT! They often scream in pain when they hit each other. Also, they can push each other away with blows, because of him they fly back. And even push each other.

Perhaps they really hit and touch each other?

There is one factor that has led some to oppose this scaling. King defeated Suiryu. But this is due to the fact that King plays with a gamepad, and does not attack with his body. And he knows the combo.

Does Suiryu scale in speed to Human Garou? Does AP Suiryu scale to Human Garou?


That's all for now. Also, I would like my calculation with the Atomic Samurai to be approved in the comments. It is very important. It was already accepted in this discussion, but I need it to be accepted in the comments as well due to some problems with USk.

@AkuAkuAkuma @Cropfist @KaiserReinhardt @Edwellken @Damage3245 @Ciruno_Fortes @Andytrenom @Celestial_Pegasus @CrimsonStarFallen @Elizhaa @GyroNutz @AKM sama @SheevShezarrine @Udlmaster @Phoenks @Emirp_sumitpo @Promestein @Therefir @DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234 @Migue79 @SamanPatou @Gemmysaur @Sir_Ovens

We would appreciate if you would be willing to evaluate the above quoted post and give us input here please.

 

[USklaverei]

When I get home, I will write a text explaining why BS from climbing to Atomic Slash is a complete handjob, the Bang thing even works because AS considers him fast.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Can I get a summary please?

 

[SheevShezarrine]

@AkuAkuAkuma @Cropfist @KaiserReinhardt @Edwellken @Damage3245 @Ciruno_Fortes @Andytrenom @Celestial_Pegasus @CrimsonStarFallen @Elizhaa @GyroNutz @AKM sama @SheevShezarrine @Udlmaster @Phoenks @Emirp_sumitpo @Promestein @Therefir @DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234 @Migue79 @SamanPatou @Gemmysaur @Sir_Ovens

We would appreciate if you would be willing to evaluate the above quoted post and give us input here please.

I'm way behind on One-Punch Man, and also way behind on knowledge of the verse since its stats on here change fairly drastically and somewhat frequently

 

[Antvasima]

Can I get a summary please?

I think that it was provided in the post that I quoted.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm way behind on One-Punch Man, and also way behind on knowledge of the verse since its stats on here change fairly drastically and somewhat frequently

No problem. Thank you for responding.

 

[Kachon123]

Everything listed seems pretty reasonable tbh.

 

[USklaverei]

So, as I already mentioned, I am totally against what Darth is proposing, in this case, he is scaling BS to MHS + with the argument that he overcame the reaction of AS, scene in question being this:

The argument is that BS managed to attack him before he could react and attack with his sword, in which case, he would scale to MHS + for that.

But it doesn't make sense for several things, the first thing is that, even during that time that AS was being beaten, he was still able to perform an Atomic Slash without BS noticing, in order to sotera them.

We also have the fact that at the time he was hit, AS was completely surrounded by BS.

Later, we have this scene where BS was about to hit AS with a punch and then Tatsumaki's barrier protects him, then BS says goodbye, as if he had been hit by an Atomic Slash, in which case he has two options:

AS attacked before the barrier or attacked from within the barrier, in both cases, BS was not even able to react to that.

Right here it already makes clear that this scale that Darth is proposing is a complete wank, it makes no sense to put BS above the Atomic reaction, which is at least equal to his Atomic Slash if BS himself cannot accompany the Atomic Slash. But another thing that also happens later that shows that while AS is brandishing the sword, BS does not compare to him.

Here BS goes for Atomic in order to hit him and he is totally retaliated, BS is even surprised about it and soon after, Atomic beats him, sinking his body.
If we consider that BS could react to Atomic Slash from AS, BS could very well differentiate these attacks from the other and avoid them, but he cannot do that, try to scale him up to overcome AS's reaction under only one circumstance and even with one context behind it is totally wrong.

 

[Epiccheev]

I Agree with Darthspiderr about Geryuganshoop's movement speed not being relativistic, imo it's pretty outlierish for a dragon and kinda shaky, considering it comes from the technicality of him being drawn with movement lines as he threw the stones.

But i Agree with USklaverei about Black sperm not scaling to Atomic samurai.
Atomic Samurai can blitz Black Sperm with massive amounts of slashes before he can react, but Black sperm can hit him because his splitting based regeneration allows him to still attack through being sliced to bits. Not to mention the scaling issues presented.

 

[USklaverei]

By the way, I did a calculation of Suiryu and Choze being FTE for some fighters, gave MHS

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree as well that Geryu should not have relativistic combat speed and he should only have it for his attack speed. It sounds like an incredible outlier, and the fact there's somewhat implications the other dudes are stronger than him

 

[USklaverei]

I also agree with the Geryu thing

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Does this affect 6-C or FTL Saitama?

I agree with AM's attack speed only scaling to MHS+ tho, no one else should scale to it

 

[Epiccheev]

Does this affect 6-C or FTL Saitama?

No, it only affects his movement speed and characters who scale to it, not the speed at wich the rocks flew. (wich is the source of 6-C AP and FTL Saitama)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah ok then.

 

[Udlmaster]

I have no problems with Geryuganshoop being Reletavistic in Attack Speed, he doesn't scale to anyone anyway, since his Attack Speed comes from his Psychic powers of which only Saitama fought.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

So, as I already mentioned, I am totally against what Darth is proposing, in this case, he is scaling BS to MHS + with the argument that he overcame the reaction of AS, scene in question being this:

The argument is that BS managed to attack him before he could react and attack with his sword, in which case, he would scale to MHS + for that.

But it doesn't make sense for several things, the first thing is that, even during that time that AS was being beaten, he was still able to perform an Atomic Slash without BS noticing, in order to sotera them.

We also have the fact that at the time he was hit, AS was completely surrounded by BS.

Later, we have this scene where BS was about to hit AS with a punch and then Tatsumaki's barrier protects him, then BS says goodbye, as if he had been hit by an Atomic Slash, in which case he has two options:

AS attacked before the barrier or attacked from within the barrier, in both cases, BS was not even able to react to that.

Right here it already makes clear that this scale that Darth is proposing is a complete wank, it makes no sense to put BS above the Atomic reaction, which is at least equal to his Atomic Slash if BS himself cannot accompany the Atomic Slash. But another thing that also happens later that shows that while AS is brandishing the sword, BS does not compare to him.

Here BS goes for Atomic in order to hit him and he is totally retaliated, BS is even surprised about it and soon after, Atomic beats him, sinking his body.
If we consider that BS could react to Atomic Slash from AS, BS could very well differentiate these attacks from the other and avoid them, but he cannot do that, try to scale him up to overcome AS's reaction under only one circumstance and even with one context behind it is totally wrong.

Okay, you convinced me.

Anyway, do you agree that Bang scales to Samurai?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Anyway, do you agree that Bang scales to Samurai?

We already do so

 

[DarthSpiderr]

By the way. What do you think about the fact that Genos did not have time to react to the kick of the BS? On the one hand, he could not react due to the fact that Tatsumaki was on his arms and this disturbed him. But on the other hand, even the Master in his arms did not interfere with Bang, he could manage to do something.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

We already do so

I'm talking about the reaction and the speed of the fight. Considering that Atomic Slash gives him reaction and combat speed, not just attack speed.

 

[Antvasima]

Geryuganshoop​

Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light. Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.

I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.

Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:

1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.

2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.

Counter-Argument against this:

1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.

The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.

As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.

2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.

But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?

Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.

Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.

You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.

3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.

When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.

4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.

5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.

Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.

Atomic Slash​

Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.

All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.

In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.

Also, the Atomic Samurai always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus, he cuts enemies into even cubes or small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.

He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.

He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.

The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash, was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once, and each flew away in a different direction. This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.

Black Sperm​

Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.

The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time, BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to. He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.

We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist. He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with. Samurai even called him "nimble".

Bang​

Now about scaling Bang. He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.

Bang is capable of striking while the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.

I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).

Sonic​

Genos has a speed of at least Mach 63.45. But Sonic is capable of creating as many as 4 afterimages in his eyes. But later on, he shows that he is capable of creating 10 afterimages for Genos. As we know, when a character is sequentially depicted for another in slow mo or moves for him at FTE speed, we multiply his speed by 1.5 times, as we did with the wet Sea King, because he was close in speed to Sonic, but before he moved for Sonic in slow motion.

Earlier, I thought along this logic:

If he create 2 afterimages for Genos, then it would already be FTE and there would already be a difference of 1.5 times. So 4 afterimages is 2 times more afterimages, hence 2 times faster (3 times faster than Genos). And 10 afterimages are 2.5 times more than 4 afterimages. Consequently, he is 7.5 times faster than Genos, that is, Mach 475.87. Or perhaps 10 times faster than Genos, as he leaves 10 afterimages for him.

But as I was told, we can only multiply once by 1.5 times.

This means that a technique that leaves 4 afterimages in Genos's eyes is 1.5 times faster than Genos (Mach 95.17). But a technique that leaves 10 afterimages is marketed as much faster than a technique with 4 afterimages. This means that it is at least 1.5 times faster than this technique (Mach 142.76). This means he is faster than Genos by a total of 2.25 times faster. This is a pretty mundane result. Be that as it may, after the first multiplication of 1.5 times, Sonic only needs to be 5% faster to be an MHS. As much as the 10 afterimage technique is faster, it must be fast enough to be MHS grade.

Iaian and Evil Nature Water​

Iaian has a speed of Mach 42.3. But Evil Spring Water has a speed of Mach 63.45. We cannot scale all of Iaian's speed through this Water, because it is on a different level (Dragon, Monster Association Officer) and that would be Outlier. But we can scale his reactions to Water. We did that with Fubuki.

Iaian is shown to be consistently capable of responding to it. As well as characters comparable him in speed.

Suiryu​

There is an anime OVA. In it, Suiryu and Human Garou fought inside the VR game. This game completely copies their movements. They are quite comfortable fighting against each other and it is hard for them. The program can keep up with their movement speed (Except for the most recent hit).

All OVs are written from ONE's script. This means that the abilities of all characters are canonical.

This tells us that Suiryu and Garou are equal in speed and fighting skills. Because they react to each other and the game completely copies their movements.

To show fully open combat, the anime inserts their real bodies instead of their avatar models.

But, is AP scalable? We do not know. Perhaps they don't really touch each other. They fight each other from a distance. BUT! They often scream in pain when they hit each other. Also, they can push each other away with blows, because of him they fly back. And even push each other.

Perhaps they really hit and touch each other?

There is one factor that has led some to oppose this scaling. King defeated Suiryu. But this is due to the fact that King plays with a gamepad, and does not attack with his body. And he knows the combo.

Does Suiryu scale in speed to Human Garou? Does AP Suiryu scale to Human Garou?


That's all for now. Also, I would like my calculation with the Atomic Samurai to be approved in the comments. It is very important. It was already accepted in this discussion, but I need it to be accepted in the comments as well due to some problems with USk.

@Sir_Ovens

The summary is above.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm talking about the reaction and the speed of the fight. Considering that Atomic Slash gives him reaction and combat speed, not just attack speed.

Atomic slash knly scales to attack speed tho

 

[DarthSpiderr]

By the way, I did a calculation of Suiryu and Choze being FTE for some fighters, gave MHS

Really? Link please

 

[Epiccheev]

At least most people seem to agree on "no more relativistic movement speed for Geryuganshoop"

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ooh, if that's the case, every dragon and all S-Class who scale to the dragons get MHS