Geryuganshoop
Our topic is: "Possible" speed of Geryuganshoop. His profile states that he is "Possibly Relativistic", roughly 19% of the speed of light.
Allegedly, he can move almost 4 meters, while the stones flying at a speed of Relativistic + about 15 meters.
I'm sure he didn't have time to move and do anything while the stones were flying.
Argument why it has a relativistic velocity:
1) He managed to shout "Die, Earthling!" while the stones flew to Saitama, indicating a corresponding reaction. And also, his tentacles are blurred, which suggests that he managed to move while the stones were flying, because it happened on the same scan.
2) This is not an outlier. Gelganshp is considered a rather strong dragon, and it is quite logical that his reaction speed will be at the level of his telekinesis speed.
Counter-Argument against this:
1) He said this phrase before throwing stones, and he made movements with tentacles before throwing. The fact that he said this on the same scan doesn't mean anything.
The location of the cloud with the text and the blur of Gelganshpa's tentacles depends only on the composition that the author wants to make, so that it looks visually more cool. Even in video games, there is such a special option as motion blur. Of course, it would be foolish to say that on this scan Murata wanted to show the sublight speed of Gelganshpa himself, and not his stones.
As we know, VSB believes that anime timeframes are much better than the timeframes we get out of our heads. In the anime, Gelganshp first shouted his phrase and then threw stones. As well as made the movements.
2) This is an outlier. As we know, Gloribas, Melzagand and Gelganshp are physically comparable (if we remove the "possibly relativistic" ones). And when Gelganshp found out that Saitama was literally one shot by Gloribas, he was very frightened when he realized that Saitama was going in his direction. He even tried to negotiate with Saitama and get him off the ship.
But why? His destructive power through telekinesis is obviously much higher than that of other Boros subordinates. Then why would he be afraid of Saitama?
Because of the speed. Gloribas is comparable to his speed of battle and reaction. But Saitama killed Gloribas too quickly.
Gelganshp was most likely afraid because Saitama is faster than what is comparable to Gelganshp. This means he can attack him faster than Gelganshp attacks him with telekinesis.
You can also say that this is just part of Gelganshpa's character. He is cowardly. But no. When Saitama was already close to Boros, Gelganshp boldly attacked him, realizing that a battle was inevitable. He feared precisely that Saitama might kill him in battle.
3) When Murata said that Gelganshp could throw stones at sub-light speed, he said that Gelganshp does this due to the fact that he removes the force of friction from stones so that they do not burn out in the atmosphere. In order for Boros to move at a speed almost equal to light (90% of the speed of light), he needed an aura that protects him from the force of friction.
When Gelganshp throws stones, we see a luminous aura around the stones. But not around the tentacles of Gelganshpa. Are you trying to say that its speed is not much slower than that of rocks, but it is not capable of burning up in the atmosphere? Even Boros needs an aura. Only Saitama is able to move in an atmosphere without an aura, because he is, well, Saitama.
4) What makes you think that he managed to move as much as 3.8 meters? This is a LOT. To be honest, we don't even see how long his movement is. We see no residual images of its tentacles. As I thought, that Gelganshp remained MHS +, but at the same time he still managed to move his tentacles while throwing stones - it was enough for him to move 16 centimeters. If he managed to move, it was a very short distance. Even on the scan you can see it.
5) This would scale to many S-class heroes. Orochi is able, according to Murata, to easily kill Gelganshp, Gloribas, and Melzagand, even if they prepare. Psykorochi is faster than Orochi. Genos is able to outpace the beams of Psykorochi. Even the weakened Psykorochi is comparable to Genos in speed, she was weakened only in destructive power and durability. The Atomic Samurai reflects the beams of the weakened Psykorochi, inflicting a bunch of cuts as the beam travels a little over a meter. He also blitzes Psykorochi with a slash. Bang is comparable to Atomic Samurai. And so on.
Are you saying that all of these characters are "Possibly Relativistic"? This is an outlier.
Atomic Slash
Another topic: Atomic Slash is not only about attack speed, but also reaction speed.
All his blows go one after another. Without any delay. If it were only attack speed without reaction, there would be a delay between katana hits, a long one. But as we can see, all the blows go for each other.
In the anime, this is clearly seen as the blows follow the friend without delay.
Also, the Atomic Samurai
always attacks the way he wants. He chooses how he will apply the slash, from which angle, to which part of the body, and so on. Thus,
he cuts enemies into even cubes or
small pieces, each of which does not differ from each other in size.
He even inflicts these attacks while running, slicing enemies into even pieces, inflicting hundreds of slashes.
He can do this even if the target is on the side to which he is not looking.
The Atomic Samurai, with the help of the Atomic Slash,
was even able to cut the Psykorochi beam so quickly and accurately that 10 came out of one beam at once,
and each flew away in a different direction.
This means that he reacts to his speed and due to this reflects the rays to where he wants. He also managed to cut the building while this was happening.
Black Sperm
Also, we have problems with scaling the BS to the Samurai.
The samurai often speedblitz the BS (as shown in the link above), but at the same time,
BS can strike blows that the Atomic Samurai cannot react to.
He can't even get the Atomic Slash in time faster than he gets hit. As we can see, he strikes directly in the face of the Atomic Samurai, that is, there is no element of surprise here, he attacks openly. If the Samurai were much faster, he would have reacted. In the old version, the Samurai might not have time to inflict the cognitive Atomic Slash faster than the BS attacked him. This technique is faster than the regular Atomic Slash.
We have a suspicion that BS allowed the Samurai to cut him open in order for him to be cloned. He doesn't even resist.
He can also react to random slashes of the Atomic Samurai before the start of their fight, when he did not know who he was fighting with.
Samurai even called him "nimble".
Bang
Now about scaling Bang.
He's speed blitz BS . Also, Samurai says Bang is very fast. They are equal rivals.
Bang is capable of striking while
the Atomic Slash occurs. The bottom line is that Bang's attack frame started earlier and ended earlier. And the Atomic Slash began at a later frame and ended later.
I don't mean Bang is faster than Samurai because he finished earlier. I mean, Bang should be comparable to a Samurai, since he is capable of delivering a bunch of punches and moves in that timeframe where Atomic Samurai uses Atomic Slash and Bang even manages to finish earlier (Because he started a little earlier).
Sonic
Genos has a speed of at least Mach 63.45. But Sonic is capable of
creating as many as 4 afterimages in his eyes. But later on, he shows that he is capable of creating
10 afterimages for Genos. As we know, when a character is sequentially depicted for another in slow mo or moves for him at FTE speed, we multiply his speed by 1.5 times, as we did with the wet Sea King, because he was close in speed to Sonic, but before he moved for Sonic in slow motion.
Earlier, I thought along this logic:
If he create 2 afterimages for Genos, then it would already be FTE and there would already be a difference of 1.5 times. So 4 afterimages is 2 times more afterimages, hence 2 times faster (3 times faster than Genos). And 10 afterimages are 2.5 times more than 4 afterimages. Consequently, he is 7.5 times faster than Genos, that is, Mach 475.87. Or perhaps 10 times faster than Genos, as he leaves 10 afterimages for him.
But as I was told, we can only multiply once by 1.5 times.
This means that a technique that leaves 4 afterimages in Genos's eyes is 1.5 times faster than Genos (Mach 95.17). But a technique that leaves 10 afterimages is marketed as much faster than a technique with 4 afterimages. This means that it is at least 1.5 times faster than this technique (Mach 142.76). This means he is faster than Genos by a total of 2.25 times faster. This is a pretty mundane result. Be that as it may, after the first multiplication of 1.5 times, Sonic only needs to be 5% faster to be an MHS. As much as the 10 afterimage technique is faster, it must be fast enough to be MHS grade.
Iaian and Evil Nature Water
Iaian has a speed of Mach 42.3. But Evil Spring Water has a speed of Mach 63.45. We cannot scale all of Iaian's speed through this Water, because it is on a different level (Dragon, Monster Association Officer) and that would be Outlier. But we can scale his reactions to Water. We did that with
Fubuki.
Iaian
is shown to be consistently capable of
responding to
it. As well as
characters comparable him in speed.
Suiryu
There is an anime
OVA. In it, Suiryu and Human Garou
fought inside the VR game.
This game completely copies their movements. They are
quite comfortable fighting against each other and it is hard for them.
The program can keep up with their movement speed (Except for the most
recent hit).
All OVs are written from ONE's script. This means that the abilities of all characters are canonical.
This tells us that Suiryu and Garou are equal in speed and fighting skills. Because they react to each other and the game completely copies their movements.
To show fully open combat, the anime inserts their real bodies instead of their avatar models.
But, is AP scalable? We do not know. Perhaps they don't really touch each other. They fight each other from a distance. BUT! They often
scream in pain when they hit each other. Also,
they can push each other away with blows, because of him they fly back. And even push each other.
Perhaps they really hit and touch each other?
There is one factor that has led some to oppose this scaling. King defeated Suiryu. But this is due to the fact that King plays with a gamepad, and does not attack with his body. And he knows the combo.
Does Suiryu scale in speed to Human Garou? Does AP Suiryu scale to Human Garou?
That's all for now. Also, I would like my
calculation with the Atomic Samurai to be approved in the comments. It is very important. It was already accepted in this discussion, but I need it to be accepted in the comments as well due to some problems with USk.
