One Punch-Man minor updates

[Nullflowerblush]

Sorry, I'm not really keeping up with the myriad of different arguments.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The reason he's 7-A isn't bc he cut the beam. It's bc he cut her, who scales to at least Gyoro, who is also 7-A.

Why does she scale you guys haven't given a single reason.

I don't think Gyoro Gyoro is 7-A either just because of her hype. She just says she's stronger than Tatsumaki which is BS.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I also don't think Gyoro Gyoro should scale to Elder Centipede/Gouketsu.
I think Psykos herself should though.

 

[LordTracer]

I see no problems with Gyoro Gyoro’s second form scaling, she thought Tatsumaki was Elder Centipede level, and she thought she was stronger than Tatsumaki, which means she was confident that she surpassed Elder Centpede’s level.

Also can someone explain how Psykos would scale if Gyoro Gyoro doesn’t

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Because Gyoro Gyoro is a meat puppet with Psykos's power filtered through.
And Psykos herself says Gyoro Gyoro doesn't even begin to compare to her peak,

 

[LordTracer]

Yes, I know... but if Gyoro Gyoro isn’t scaling to EC/Gouketsu, how does that make Psykos scale?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

She doesn't I guess?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Oh that's a good point actually. There's nothing there.
I just happen to think Psykos is more powerful than Gouketsu personally, there's nothing concrete for it to be used as scaling.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The only for her to be 7-A+ is to scale them above gouketsu via EC

 

[Ped2018]

Wait, are you guys really ignore this??

she thought Tatsumaki was Elder Centipede level, and she thought she was stronger than Tatsumaki, which means she was confident that she surpassed Elder Centpede’s level.

Or are you guys just trying to find more evidence to Psykos scaling??

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I completely agree with Matt that scalling people from fighting Weakened Psykorochi is iffy

I understand that it still has Psykos and part of Orochi, but being a tired-weakened-wanting-to-escape version of her completely opens the possibility to this Psykos not being stronger than PRIME Psykos, a tired and weakened fusion between two characters can lose to one of the parts if said part is at 100% + Enhanced by a Serum, denying that is ignore context

Now, what makes me believe she was indeed weaker there is basically seeing who scales to her in that form. Puri is way weaker than Darkshine and badly lost to Garou and Nyan, now after no indication of a power up, he's scalling to an apparently High Dragon/stronger than the Dragons that destroyed him, in a group attack with many other S Class heroes ? Scalling Psykojet that way is iffy, scalling some Heroes to that is also iffy by me

 

[USklaverei]

That makes sense^

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think some heroes getting 7-A+ via scaling to EC possibly being on par if not stronger than gouketsu is fine, but scaling psykojet is kinda eh imo

 

[LordTracer]

Pretty sure it was already agreed that Psykosjet is just a 7-B earlier in the thread (which is still an upgrade for AS, PPP and Genos considering they’d otherwise be Low 7-B+, High 7-C and Low 7-B respectively), not sure why that’s coming up again.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I have a question, does Atomic ever damaged someone with his fists ? His SS is listed as 7-B aswell and I kinda remember him needing a Sword to fight

I think some heroes getting 7-A+ via scaling to EC possibly being on par if not stronger than gouketsu is fine, but scaling psykojet is kinda eh imo

Yeap, I agree aswell

 

[LordTracer]

Do striking weapons like swords not count as being part of someone’s SS?

And about the EC thing, yeah, Bang and Bomb would keep 7-A regardless (although they lose the + since Darkshine isn’t scaling anymore), everyone else would just be around 7-B.

 

[USklaverei]

Yes, this is good.
Now what else is left to be debated?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I'm not sure if it scales, I saw some profiles that Sword was AP but Striking Strength was the physicals

I guess Fubuki should lose her 7-A aswell ? Honestly that feat for her seems outlier to me

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yep, as well as evil eye, both should be down scaled to Low 7-B+ imo

 

[LordTracer]

No, we agreed in the discussion thread that Fubuki would be something like “Low 7-B+, at most 7-B, possibly 7-A+’

 

[Kachon123]

I'm not sure if it scales, I saw some profiles that Sword was AP but Striking Strength was the physicals

I guess Fubuki should lose her 7-A aswell ? Honestly that feat for her seems outlier to me

Im pretty sure it is

 

[Axxtentacle]

I mean, i'm not sure if that'd be considered an "outlier" if it's not that big of a jump from her other tiers. Outliers are MASSIVELY out of proportion, anyway.

 

[Kachon123]

No, we agreed in the discussion thread that Fubuki would be something like “Low 7-B+, at most 7-B, possibly 7-A+’

Oh yeah, ignore my last post

 

[LordTracer]

Also iirc someone argued that Fubuki didn’t actually get stronger, she was just mentally blocking herself before or something like that.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

So if psykojet looses the possibly 7-A rating then what characters keep it?

 

[LordTracer]

Out of the S-Class, just Bang and Bomb.

 

[USklaverei]

Better to make a list and remove it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah, let's make a list of who keeps their rating and who doesn't

 

[Kin201]

I can see Darkshine could keep it, the others get their ratings removed.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

What about Darkshine? He is stated to be the physically most durable Hero and took no damage in a sparring match with Bang. Bang and Superalloy Darkshine are considered the twin pillars of the hero world

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok, so from what I can tell, since some heroes get their possibly 7-A+ from scaling to pskyojet, who is arguably weaker than peaks psykos, who is possibly 7-A+ because Psykos > Gyoro Gyoro second form > EC >= Gouketsu. Characters who lose possibly 7-A+ are:

• Genos
• Nyan
• Puri Puri Prisoner
• Drive Knight
• Atomic Samurai
• Flashy Flash

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Flashy should loose it as well

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Flashy should loose it as well

Added

 

[USklaverei]

People who went up:

Pri-Prisioner
Atomic Samurai
Darkshine (Remains)
Elder Centipede (Remains)
Rover (Remains)
Bang (Remains)
Bomb (Remains)
Fubuki
Eyes Evil
Flashy
Garou Half Monster (Remains)
Black Sperm
Drive Knight
Genos
Nyan

Somebody else ?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fubuki
Eyes Evil

Fubuki scales to Rover, so she stays.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Wait If Darkshine keeps his rating could the list of heroes that Darkshine said could beat Garou keep the rating as well? Or do we not scale that version of Garou to possibly 7-A?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wait If Darkshine keeps his rating could the list of heroes that Darkshine said could beat Garou keep the rating as well? Or do we not scale that version of Garou to possibly 7-A?

We don't, that was before he adapted to darkshine, so they don't scale

 

[USklaverei]

We only climbed after he climbed above Darkshine, the declaration is before that.

 

[Kachon123]

Fubuki scales to Rover, so she stays.

Fubuki doesn't scale to Rover. Rover has two types of heat blasts. The charged one's took Fubuki her all to deflect. Those blasts are 7-A+. The uncharged ones, which Fubuki tanked with reinforced bodies, are not 7-A+. Fubuki almost died from one of the charged ones. She doesn't scale.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Why don't we scale or at least downscale Half-Monster Garou to Rover when he manged to take this and this point blank?