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1- Removing the "Possibly 7-A+".
Removing the "Possibly" and making it a solid 7-A+ because Metal Knight implied only a sample of EC's shell could be useful for weapons developement, and stated his missiles couldn't scartch it. In this hypothetical picture, MK is shown attacking his own HQs, being able to damage it after a bombardment. MK had more missiles when fighting EC but refused to keep trying because as he said, he can't break his armour, eventhough he desires a sample to improve his weapons.
EC is where the possibly 7-A+ scale starts from, because it is the only character that scales from the HQs durability. While I can understand the Possibly, it makes the scaling difficult to understand and I believe it should be better to leave it out of the equation and stick to simplicity.
2- Confusions regarding base Bang/Bomb and Overgrown Rover.
We will start from the consensus that Bang and Bomb are equals, and this is stated by Fubuki, so when I talk about one of them think immediately about the other too.
In his fight against Beast Garou, Bomb tanks several hits in which technique (in this case to avoid direct blows) is clearly not involved, he outright tanks them and somehow manages to keep fighting/conscious. This has been called an outlier by many given the common belief that he is portrayed as comparable to the Half Monster Garou that fought Rover because of the statement in which Bang is surprised he didn't get injured after taking OR's explosion. This is because Beast Garou > Spiral Garou=Darkshine > Post Orochi HM Garou > Pre Orochi HM Garou = Rover's blasts = Bang/Bomb's durability.
This is a mistake, in the same case that HE's energy balls vary in power, Rover's do too, and this is due to the fact that he needs time to charge them. Given that, the more energy he puts into his explosions, the stronger they are. There is a clear difference in size between the biggest attacks thrown at HM Garou and the big ball fired at the trio, which engulfed a larger area of stories even if the attack was omnidirectional.
Rover being more powerful than what we imagined makes sense because even Lord Orochi is surprised that OR is scared of Saitama, despite having lost some heads seconds ago. He also understands that massive shock from before could have been the cause of Gouketsu and Elder Centipede's deaths, despite Rover having survived. Psykos sees him as a valid answer to lose time against someone who effortlessly destroyed her Multi-Eyed form.
Some counterarguments: "Bang and Bomb got stronger because Fubuki amped them". In opposition to TTM's relatively permanent and physical boosting ampliation, their "power up" was just a temporary amp which increased a bit their speed and lessened their pain.
3- About Melzalgard and Awakening Breath.
Many see Awakewning Breath as a super power up that multiplies Bang's strength many times. The truth is, if anything, AB is just a slight increase and comparable to his base form. This is proved when Bomb (who as we stated is Bang's equal) can physically trade blows (while being energy-drained by Fubuki) with Beast Garou. Although Garou wins after some time, they are in the same league when talking about AP and durability. Yet when Bang goes AB, Beast Garou (who should be base Bang level) is able to block his attack without suffering any injuries. It's backed up by his own speech, it draws the limits of the human body, it doesn't go beyonf his physical limits, it just uses the maximum capacity of that "vessel".
Melzalgard briefly knocked out Bang in Alien Conqueror's arc. This was done by just ONE of his heads. The databook states that when he combines his 5 heads, every attribute dramatically increases. Seeing how each scene displays his amps, it is fair to say Melzalgard at full power has to be at least comparable to AB Bang, if not way stronger than him.
5- About Psykos.
Base Gyoro Gyoro could be scaled higher than HM Garou and Pre Molt EC because she says that is the power that surpasses Tatsumaki, knowing Tats is stronger than Pre-Molt EC. Now, she could be referring not to power but to psychic abilities as a whole, so maybe she wasn't actually using more power than what she thought Tatsmuaki possessed. Take this with a grain of salt.
Psykos is confident on defeating Tatsumaki, which destroyed Multi-Eye puppet, and sees herself on a whole other level compared to her previous form. She also thought she could control Orochi to make him a vessel (the suppressed Orochi she knew of), Orochi being stated to be the strongestmonster of the MA several times. This should put her above all the cadres except Homeless Emperor and Black Sperm, which she could not sense the power of.
6- About Boros.
I believe that, if it isn't contradicted by anything, AP should be scaled to durability. In Elder Centipede's profile, it says: "should scale to his durability" in reference to his Attack Potency. I don't see why Armored Boros has to be treated differently. After all, his armor isn't depicted as a super durable artifact that can't be broken. We are just told it seals his Released power, nothing more. Not to mention he sure took a good amount of the damage from Saitama's punch. Even if he took just 1% of the impact, he would already be near High 6-B. Yet we keep putting him barely above Melz's 7-A/ Geryu's possibly 6-C.
Plus in the manga, the armor seems to be fused with his skin, which is something very important to this point, because if the amor is affected, the body is automatically linked to it.
He was willing to fight Saitama in armored form even after having read the power level left from breaking a 6-A durability door. It's clear he was initially going to face him without relying on higher forms.
About his Released key, I would add a "higher with energy blasts".
7- Conclusions.
I wanted to see what things would get accepted/ refused before redesigning the profiles, because there are a lot which are affected by my proposals.
Good weekend to you all.
Removing the "Possibly" and making it a solid 7-A+ because Metal Knight implied only a sample of EC's shell could be useful for weapons developement, and stated his missiles couldn't scartch it. In this hypothetical picture, MK is shown attacking his own HQs, being able to damage it after a bombardment. MK had more missiles when fighting EC but refused to keep trying because as he said, he can't break his armour, eventhough he desires a sample to improve his weapons.
EC is where the possibly 7-A+ scale starts from, because it is the only character that scales from the HQs durability. While I can understand the Possibly, it makes the scaling difficult to understand and I believe it should be better to leave it out of the equation and stick to simplicity.
2- Confusions regarding base Bang/Bomb and Overgrown Rover.
We will start from the consensus that Bang and Bomb are equals, and this is stated by Fubuki, so when I talk about one of them think immediately about the other too.
In his fight against Beast Garou, Bomb tanks several hits in which technique (in this case to avoid direct blows) is clearly not involved, he outright tanks them and somehow manages to keep fighting/conscious. This has been called an outlier by many given the common belief that he is portrayed as comparable to the Half Monster Garou that fought Rover because of the statement in which Bang is surprised he didn't get injured after taking OR's explosion. This is because Beast Garou > Spiral Garou=Darkshine > Post Orochi HM Garou > Pre Orochi HM Garou = Rover's blasts = Bang/Bomb's durability.
This is a mistake, in the same case that HE's energy balls vary in power, Rover's do too, and this is due to the fact that he needs time to charge them. Given that, the more energy he puts into his explosions, the stronger they are. There is a clear difference in size between the biggest attacks thrown at HM Garou and the big ball fired at the trio, which engulfed a larger area of stories even if the attack was omnidirectional.
Rover being more powerful than what we imagined makes sense because even Lord Orochi is surprised that OR is scared of Saitama, despite having lost some heads seconds ago. He also understands that massive shock from before could have been the cause of Gouketsu and Elder Centipede's deaths, despite Rover having survived. Psykos sees him as a valid answer to lose time against someone who effortlessly destroyed her Multi-Eyed form.
Some counterarguments: "Bang and Bomb got stronger because Fubuki amped them". In opposition to TTM's relatively permanent and physical boosting ampliation, their "power up" was just a temporary amp which increased a bit their speed and lessened their pain.
3- About Melzalgard and Awakening Breath.
Many see Awakewning Breath as a super power up that multiplies Bang's strength many times. The truth is, if anything, AB is just a slight increase and comparable to his base form. This is proved when Bomb (who as we stated is Bang's equal) can physically trade blows (while being energy-drained by Fubuki) with Beast Garou. Although Garou wins after some time, they are in the same league when talking about AP and durability. Yet when Bang goes AB, Beast Garou (who should be base Bang level) is able to block his attack without suffering any injuries. It's backed up by his own speech, it draws the limits of the human body, it doesn't go beyonf his physical limits, it just uses the maximum capacity of that "vessel".
Melzalgard briefly knocked out Bang in Alien Conqueror's arc. This was done by just ONE of his heads. The databook states that when he combines his 5 heads, every attribute dramatically increases. Seeing how each scene displays his amps, it is fair to say Melzalgard at full power has to be at least comparable to AB Bang, if not way stronger than him.
5- About Psykos.
Base Gyoro Gyoro could be scaled higher than HM Garou and Pre Molt EC because she says that is the power that surpasses Tatsumaki, knowing Tats is stronger than Pre-Molt EC. Now, she could be referring not to power but to psychic abilities as a whole, so maybe she wasn't actually using more power than what she thought Tatsmuaki possessed. Take this with a grain of salt.
Psykos is confident on defeating Tatsumaki, which destroyed Multi-Eye puppet, and sees herself on a whole other level compared to her previous form. She also thought she could control Orochi to make him a vessel (the suppressed Orochi she knew of), Orochi being stated to be the strongestmonster of the MA several times. This should put her above all the cadres except Homeless Emperor and Black Sperm, which she could not sense the power of.
6- About Boros.
I believe that, if it isn't contradicted by anything, AP should be scaled to durability. In Elder Centipede's profile, it says: "should scale to his durability" in reference to his Attack Potency. I don't see why Armored Boros has to be treated differently. After all, his armor isn't depicted as a super durable artifact that can't be broken. We are just told it seals his Released power, nothing more. Not to mention he sure took a good amount of the damage from Saitama's punch. Even if he took just 1% of the impact, he would already be near High 6-B. Yet we keep putting him barely above Melz's 7-A/ Geryu's possibly 6-C.
Plus in the manga, the armor seems to be fused with his skin, which is something very important to this point, because if the amor is affected, the body is automatically linked to it.
He was willing to fight Saitama in armored form even after having read the power level left from breaking a 6-A durability door. It's clear he was initially going to face him without relying on higher forms.
About his Released key, I would add a "higher with energy blasts".
7- Conclusions.
- Removing possibly 7-A+.
- Bang, Bomb and Rover all scale higher than Darkshine in AP.
- 5 heads Melzalgard scales to AB Bang.
- Psykos scales above Rover.
- Armored Boros gets 6-A AP preferably.
I wanted to see what things would get accepted/ refused before redesigning the profiles, because there are a lot which are affected by my proposals.
Good weekend to you all.
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