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Holy **** y'all need everything spelled out for you. You talk about how it is seperate from his physicals because apparently we need a statement for telekinesis basically scaling to A.P. Or how about how it doesn't fit the stabilization standards? This isn't a ******* stabilization feat. This is Potential Energy done through a special ability that apparently needs to be said to scale to physical a.p because "muh site standard". You use Haki which is sperate from DFs and actually nulls them getting stronger as evidence against scaling to A.P. Or that his drinking making him stronger and yet still the island is falling means that its a separate thing. However the flame clouds are shown feeding off Kaidou's stamina and not his a.p. We are not talking about the energy to keep it in the sky, at least I'm not. We are talking about generating the energy to move it forward, or to pull it up. You are being disingenuous and you know it damn well.
And if that still isn't enough here:
Take away the Haki point and his drinking, and the point still remains that there is nothing connecting his Flame Clouds with the rest of his AP."You use Haki which is sperate from DFs and actually nulls them getting stronger as evidence against scaling to A.P. Or that his drinking making him stronger and yet still the island is falling means that its a separate thing. However the flame clouds are shown feeding off Kaidou's stamina and not his a.p."
That's it then. You just need it spelled out?Take away the Haki point and his drinking, and the point still remains that there is nothing connecting his Flame Clouds with the rest of his AP.
I need more than assumptions.That's it then. You just need it spelled out?
There were issues with it so it was withdrawn. The cloud splitting thread didn't reach a conclusion.What happened to aokiji's calculation? Also I find it strange that kaido took the bajrang gun without exploding while he's only country level. There were also cloud splitting calculations that were continent level, where did they go?
That's a really weak argument Damage.I need more than assumptions.
The only point you guys have is that its just an assumption. But your also making an assumption that seems a lot less reasonable.Moron I really don't think you're understanding. The flame clouds being tied to stamina, telekinesis, whatever, doesn't make them scale to his physicals at all.
It's literally not unreasonable, it's adhering to our site standards. You're the one who cannot see that. I'm not really going to repeat myself ad nauseam with you. So, I'm just going to wait for other people to comment on this thread, since we're going in circles with you complaining and us explaining.The only point you guys have is that its just an assumption. But your also making an assumption that seems a lot less reasonable.
I already debunked the majority of points.It's literally not unreasonable, it's adhering to our site standards. You're the one who cannot see that. I'm not really going to repeat myself ad nauseam with you. So, I'm just going to wait for other people to comment on this thread, since we're going in circles with you complaining and us explaining.
So you say moron so you say.I already debunked the majority of points.
Damage seemingly conceded, the haki and stamina stuff.So you say moron so you say.
No, the Haki stuff was just to point out that Kaido's AP continues to ramp up throughout the fight even as his stamina lessens.Damage seemingly conceded, the haki and stamina stuff.
We aren’t claiming stamina and physicals have no links either. However, you need more than that obvious fact to scale to sustainability feats
Can you post proof of that just so people don’t think there’s any dishonesty going around, I believe you ofc but it’s prolly best to cover the bases.@DarkDragonMedeus has told me to add him to the Agree pile as he's currently busy with work.
you can make a thread addressing the stability standards if you’d likeHow does this work?
What is above an obvious fact?
I see the problem, it's not that you are being reasonable and using common sense, it's that you are being guided by directly false standards that go against reality.
Since you yourself have admitted that the fact that physical strength is related to stamina is something obvious, which needs no proof (an axiom)
But well there is nothing to do, the problem is not the feat, the problem is that the standards are wrong, so nothing to do here i guess.
Would be pretty stupid for me to fake that and get punished for it, but here you go:Can you post proof of that just so people don’t think there’s any dishonesty going around, I believe you ofc but it’s prolly best to cover the bases.
I have already proved this doesn't disprove anything.Luffy claims that Kaido’s Haki has gotten stronger after getting blasted by one of Kaido’s attacks. Haki is an ability that directly influences a character’s AP, as Kaido uses his Haki to amp his techniques. Kaido even claims mid-fight that his drinking doesn’t make him weaker, implying it’s more of an amp. We also see throughout the fight that Kaido’ s AP isn’t decreasing as he continues to use stronger and stronger attacks, and manages to keep up with Luffy all while Luffy is getting stronger and stronger.
Onigashima seems to have stabilized when Kaidou amps his DF as opposed to Drinking and haki which are seperate avenues.What is most likely sustaining these clouds is Kaido’s life force/stamina. When Yamato makes the claim that his power is weakening, we see that Kaido is injured, covered in blood and bruises. As the fight continues and Kaido gets more injured and closer to death, we see the flame clouds become less and less stable. Yamato and Momo even imply that if Kaido dies, the clouds will disappear. All the way up until his defeat by Luffy where he is incapacitated or maybe even killed, when his flame clouds finally give way and Momo has to use his own flame clouds to stop Onigashima’s fall. This rather concretely displays that Kaido is sustaining the clouds with his own life force/stamina rather than his raw AP power, because we see Kaido’s AP stays the same or even gets stronger throughout the fight, but his HP (for a lack of better terms) is constantly decreasing as he sustains injury after injury. Thus, Kaido sustains the clouds with his life force/stamina.
Apparently an important scene, and scaling to casual H6B feats isn't enough.Kaido’s regular statistics and AP don’t necessarily consistently scale to the energy provided by the flame cloud calcs (High 6-B). Kaido has scaling to Whitebeard’s calcs which are 6-B and his strongest attack is able to briefly contest Luffy’s strongest attack which is High 6-A. However, he doesn’t have any other avenues to High 6-B. I won’t claim that High 6-B is inconsistent for Kaido, since 6-B isn’t exactly far from High 6-B, they’re adjacent tiers. So, I believe that Kaido can debatably satisfy this requirement, but he arguably cannot as well.
They are never ever shown to be remotely below what his base form did. Oda did not portray Destroyer of Death Thunder Bagua as below his clouds.
- The character's regular statistics aren't consistently portrayed at the level of what they sustain.
No you haven’t, because Kaido’s haki not weakening is being used to argue Kaido himself isn’t getting weaker in terms of AP. As in bro is still punching at usual levels. It’s not saying that the cloud shit is connected to haki.I have already proved this doesn't disprove anything.
yeah we already know the flame clouds are connected to his DF.Onigashima seems to have stabilized when Kaidou amps his DF as opposed to Drinking and haki which are seperate avenues.
Bro it doesn’t matter how casual or not the flame clouds are, they can be a casual LIFTING STRENGTH feat and still not scale to striking strength. Get that through your head.Apparently an important scene, and scaling to casual H6B feats isn't enough.
You misunderstand that point. Consistent showings mean he needs to have consistent feats of his AP/striking strength being High 6-B. He is only consistently High 6-B with the clouds, bro has zero other feats of anything being High 6-B.They are never ever shown to be remotely below what his base form did. Oda did not portray Destroyer of Death Thunder Bagua as below his clouds.
You have nothing.
I'm saying that Kaidou amping his physical AP and haki does not mean he is amping the clouds or his DF powers which is where the A.P comes from.No you haven’t, because Kaido’s haki not weakening is being used to argue Kaido himself isn’t getting weaker in terms of AP. As in bro is still punching at usual levels. It’s not saying that the cloud shit is connected to haki.
So him still being amped and the flame clouds not stabilizing makes sense. Because his haki buffing isn't connect at all to DF.yeah we already know the flame clouds are connected to his DF.
I'm talking about Whitebeard's featsBro it doesn’t matter how casual or not the flame clouds are, they can be a casual LIFTING STRENGTH feat and still not scale to striking strength. Get that through your head.
Because apparently holding back a High 6-A attack for a significant period of time, and scaling to a man who's getting angry resulted in a 6-B feat isn't enough to get into High 6-B(which is barely above 6-B)You misunderstand that point. Consistent showings mean he needs to have consistent feats of his AP/striking strength being High 6-B. He is only consistently High 6-B with the clouds, bro has zero other feats of anything being High 6-B.
Why do u keep calling him a moron?Lmao, so base Luffy scales to Gear 5 cuz it’s his Devil fruit power huh? Doffy’s physicals scale to his bird cage too then huh? There are instances in One Piece where characters use their Devil fruits to produce abilities or attacks beyond their normal physicals, you’re just wrong here. This isn’t a defeater either moron.
Planck piece.Veronica is reading half a piece
Now that I got back from work, I can confirm this.@DarkDragonMedeus has told me to add him to the Agree pile as he's currently busy with work.
She’s literally the smartest person alive.Sabo didn't get hit by the Mother Flame damn
Also how the hell do you gain dwarf star durability from getting hit from a portion of a large planet attack what the hell
No one said he’s amping the clouds, read the stability standards and you’d understand better.I'm saying that Kaidou amping his physical AP and haki does not mean he is amping the clouds or his DF powers which is where the A.P comes from.
ok? Not relevant to what we’re talking about.So him still being amped and the flame clouds not stabilizing makes sense. Because his haki buffing isn't connect at all to DF.
They’re like 10 teratons, that’s not consistent for 100s of teratons.I'm talking about Whitebeard's feats
Kaido scales to High 6-A with his flame susanooBecause apparently holding back a High 6-A attack for a significant period of time, and scaling to a man who's getting angry resulted in a 6-B feat isn't enough to get into High 6-B(which is barely above 6-B)
yessss!!!!Also we have Mother Flame which is calc to be 5-A/Large Planet level and Sabo survived it meaning Sabo should have dwarf star level durability and God Tier scale above him
i think that calc got axed.What about Puncture Will and it hole's calc?
Im really sure found it somewhere in this site
We can take advantages from that, right?