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An 8 year old did it
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One Piece Top Tiers and God Tiers Revision
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Cool, how does that prove those clouds scale relative with one's physicals or separate attacks.
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RIP High 6-A, and High 6-B its gone too, even if i still think that it should scale.
So back to square one with 6-B which will scale to just Admirals and Yonkou.
So back to square one with 6-B which will scale to just Admirals and Yonkou.
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Yes, we go over that in the OP.
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Not without due reason, there’s currently no reason to presuppose his attacks have superior AP to the energy produced from his flame clouds. Going by our site standards the opposite is true, there’s due reason to assume the flame clouds don’t even scale to his attacks. Unless you can substantiate that claim it’s merely a baseless assumption.
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After looking at the OP again, I'm fine with not using them for scaling.
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The fact that if they were above his physicals or other attacking moves he'd be using them. Flame Clouds are for movement. Yamato says as much. Boro Breath is for attacking. Kaidou also implies his Haki is stronger than his DF against Luffy.
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They aren’t attacks… so why would he use them? They’re solely for lifting
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Don't derail, please.
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Throwing shit. Kaidou himself is fueling the clouds. I don't see how it doesn't scale to his a.p.
Do you hear yourself? The energy produced by a non offensive move is superior to offensive moves.
I'll reiterate that Kaidou heavily implies that his haki based techniques like Thunder Bagua are superior to his Devil Fruit. On top of this several DFs should have more power in them than Kaidou's fruit. Like Akainu's for instance.
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It’s explained in the OP, merely sustaining something doesn’t make your physicals scale inherently regardless of if you can see it or not
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Then you have a fundamental misunderstanding about our stability standards.
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If he has an ability that is reserved solely for lifting things, then I don’t understand why it would scale to his physicals even if it’s meant to be “basic and easy” for him to produce? They serve a function that isn’t attack based, they shouldn’t really scale to anything he does that IS attack based unless there’s a sufficient reason beyond “well they’re not attacks so his actual attacks should be stronger.”
The context of the Flame Clouds implies to me that nothing scales to them because their function of just lifting stuff is completely different from all of Kaido’s other abilities. Like, if they were that much stronger and his physicals scaled, wouldn’t that mean he should be able to lift anything they can? If he “fuels them,” then shouldn’t anything they can do he can do? If it’s a 1:1 power exchange, would that not be the case?
The context of the Flame Clouds implies to me that nothing scales to them because their function of just lifting stuff is completely different from all of Kaido’s other abilities. Like, if they were that much stronger and his physicals scaled, wouldn’t that mean he should be able to lift anything they can? If he “fuels them,” then shouldn’t anything they can do he can do? If it’s a 1:1 power exchange, would that not be the case?
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You're right, I apologize.
On the subject of scaling, will Scabbard tiers just be Baseline 6-B (7 teratons)? How do you plan on scaling them?
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Since I'm assuming we don't do the "divide them by 4" thing, then baseline 6-B is probably what they'll be.
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I personally wouldn't mind the 1/4 scaling, but yes there is some...opposition to that.
Baseline 6-B isn't terrible since the 12.64 teraton feat was done casually by Primebeard just from getting pissed.
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Good job ignoring the rest of what I said.
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I'm pretty sure this is the reason why the Strong World feat was nuked in the first place
Might be wrong though
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They got nuked cuz they’re outliers at least that was KT’s argument iirc
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Anyway... haki transcends all shebang.
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Pretty sure it was because they did not have an solid way to scale to the rest of the characters.
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Kaidou's haki is stronger than his DF.
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That Moron, can you stop posting sourceless conjecture please?
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What?
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That scan does not say that Kaidou's Haki > all the capabilities of his Devil Fruit.
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It doesn't have to. The flame clouds are basic techniques that shouldn't be able to generate more energy than Boro Breath.
For example Momo having already mastered flame clouds struggled with Boro Breath. This shows its a more complex technique than the very basic Boro Breath, i.e its a simple technique that Haki outscales.
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That doesn't prove anything when it comes to potency.
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Damage devil fruits are powered by the user. Some techniques amp, I have no reason to believe that a basic technique like Flame Cloud is one of them. Especially since they are shown to be easier to use than offensive moves.
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The clouds are shown to be easier to master than Boro Breath. Techniques that amp such as Gears are harder to use. Basic moves scale to user's a.p.
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Hey @KingTempest, what do you think Scabbard tiers should scale to? Do you agree with baseline 6-B (7 teratons)?
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I'm pretty sure that KingTempest doesn't want to be bothered with this.
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Fair.
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1) ease of use of a technique doesn’t mean anything
2) Kaido ***** out Boro breaths casually anyhow so your point falls apart
How about rather than reaching with unsubstantiated claims you address the evidence backed claims in the OP that adhere to site standards
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We have no reason to believe that a 10ish times amp is applicable to Flame Clouds which isn't even an offensive technique.1) ease of use of a technique doesn’t mean anything
2) Kaido ***** out Boro breaths casually anyhow so your point falls apart
How about rather than reaching with unsubstantiated claims you address the evidence backed claims in the OP that adhere to site standards
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