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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #6

Damage3245 said:
By the way the original calc for the size/mass of the iceburg that Jozu threw no longer exists, so I'll try to remake that and the calcs for him throwing it and Akainu vaporizing it.
They're not exactly critical calcs but I don't like them currently being based on something we cannot verify.
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And the Luffy tossing a hill after the Marineford War as well, if you can
 
Ttenrr said:
I mean the width of alabasta would work as a lowball
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Taking the width of the second-largest known landmass of the OP planet so far is not a lowball. It's in fact the exact opposite of a lowball.
 
Well, the 30 seconds end wasn't the accepted result of the calc.

And Kobster, which chapter did that feat take place in btw?
 
Hmm, that's a pretty difficult one because we can't actually see Luffy in relation to the chunk of rock that he's throwing.
 
Hmm, I've no idea either. I think I'll leave that one to later.
 
https://onepiecethenewworld.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/vivre-card-databook-7-10-2.png

https://onepiecethenewworld.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/vivre-card-databook-7-2.png

Apparently the latest databook has give the official heigth and length of both Going Merry and Thousand Sunny, which is much lower than the one i got by scaling Usopp, which change the results of Wiper's Reject Dial, Enel's Raigo and Luffy dispersing the Raigo.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2802368#7

Give thanks to PlumCrayfish376 for telling me this in the first place.
 
When the Beanstalk and Upper calc get evaluated, I will change the results I have currently on the Reject Dial and Enel's Raigou and get them re-evaluated.
 
I have several doubts regarding this feat to be sure.
 
PlumCrayfish376 said:
Doubts?!? Which are, if I may ask?
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Ace releases several gigatons of heat passively - vaporizing clouds several kilometers away - and yet there is absolutely no visible effect on the snow at his feet?

Ace's ability doesn't just let him remotely create huge amounts of heat far away from his body; if he were emitting huge amounts of heat directly from his body there'd be some visible signs.
 
That's completely false , Ace's passive heat does extend far far away from his body and this is seen with a few Logias altering their surroundings. Also using the argument that Ace didn't melt the snow around his feat can be chalked up to an art inconsistency, there's quite literally a shot of Drum Island with no clouds on the blog. Not to mention that heat travels upwards, cold air stays down.
 
https://imgur.com/a/9BMapdZ

Here we have Teach vs Ace. During the fight we can see clouds in the sky, but during the final clash there's no clouds in any part of the panel.

The fact that he vaporized the clouds instead of changing the temperature of the whole island without anyone noticing it makes more sense.
 
We have a very limited viewpoint of the sky in that one flashback shot; with clouds visible in the distance. Not enough to say there are no clouds at all about Drum Island.
 
Even before the little flashback we cannot see the clouds properly but we know they are there because the snow is falling down. In the flashback there's no snow. Other possibility is KE but that needs more assumptions.
 
Also, we're relying on the assumption that there were loads of clouds in the sky before Ace appeared and they all were instantly gone the moment he appeared.

I know that the novel suggests that, but nothing in the manga suggests that is what happened.

And the novel doesn't mention how cloudy exactly it was over the whole island.
 
I did the calc because the novel suggest that, and with lack of proof in the manga, the novel is supportive evidence of the case.
 
The novel can be used for supportive evidence. You can't just pick and choose whatever is the most convenient to you Damage. Speaking of assumptions your Kuzan calc uses quite a few assumptions to low ball so I wouldn't be talking about assumptions here. Also we're allowed to use assumptions, reasonable assumptions. The Light Novel and logic on how heat works both support Ace doing this instantly.


Hot air travels up, it doesn't travel down. Which makes sense considering what Ace is doing is generating passive heat, not fire. Which explains it perfectly, and even when using the argument that he didn't melt the snow that's doesn't sound right considering artists tend to forget things like that.
 
You think that if 3.4 Gigatons of heat was released at ground level that it would only travel straight up?

Sorry but the 'logic of how heat works' is not on your side there.

I think the calc makes too many assumptions to be applicable in its current state; assuming it is a completely cloudy day and then when Ace shows up it is instantly cloudless. Not enough evidence to support it.

Also, can somebody link to the section of Ace's novel where this happened?
 
The logic of how heat works is indeed on my side. The 3.4 Gigatons comes from Ace vaporizing the clouds, not warming up the entire island. Well so far your argument are AoE Fallacies for Ace not melting the snow despite how heat actually works and argument from disbelief. Your arguments don't quite hold up whenever we have the novel to support Ace doing this and given how heat actually works.
 
Can you link to the section of the novel where this happened?
 
I can understand where people might be getting that impression from after reading that; but it doesn't mention Drum Island. It's just a random winter island that he met Shanks at.

So unless the calc is based on a different passage that I can't find, it's not applicable.
 
Damage I think you're missing the point here. The fact that he's done it before supports him being able to do the same here on Drum Island. You really need to quit with this "It's not applicable" crap just because you don't think it is. There's quite literally evidence of Ace being capable of doing the same.
 
The argument in favor of it was 'In the novel Ace appeared at Drum Island and instantly vaporized the clouds'.

Now I've discovered that in the novel Ace went to a completely different island, and it makes no mention of the clouds instantly vaporizing.

So pardon me for displaying my usual amount of skepticism regarding this feat.
 
Stefano & Kobster; can you post the new version of your calcs here when they are evaluated please?


I'll add them to the OP tomorrow.
 
I'm waiting for the Beanstalk and Upper Yard's new size to get evaluated first before I post the new results and have them re-evaluated asap.
 
Yeah, pretty sure Drum's clouds are a lot thicker and can't get vaporized by external means and the island in New World has clouds so thin that a breath can blow them away.

You're just ignoring facts again. If Ace can do it there, then this feat which is really similar applies as well.

You're not proving wrong a single thing here, just trying to search every option to dismiss the feats (like with Kuzan's feat).
 
>>You're not proving wrong a single thing here, just trying to search every option to dismiss the feats

Damage is supposed to evaluate a calc for credibility; all of us are.
 
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