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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #6

I agree with @Damage. The Walk of Zuu seems very strange. Also as it relates to Kaido, Zuu only walks. He can't actually fight unless ordered to do so which no one knew was even possible. The likelihood Kaido has actually fought Zuu seems ridiculously low. That in itself, but with so many potential characters getting really bad backwards scaling it is worth bringing up.
 
Kaido never fought Zuu nor has anyone claimed that so I'm not sure what you mean. He's always stated to be the strongest creature in the world, which means he's stronger than Zuu and Zuu can produce 28 Gigatons by walking. The amount of energy Zuu can produce just by walking and we have direct statements of Kaido being the strongest creature in the world. And nobody back scales from Kaido, the Yonko are all equal and that's how it's been forever. You should stop pushing your own personal agenda of Kaido being the strongest Yonko whenever nobody agrees with you on that regard. He's been beaten and captured multiple times before including by other Yonko.
 
Just want to say that the statement doesn't necessarily mean physical strength; to me it implies that Kaido is the 'strongest' by virtue of being able to beat anyone in a 1-on-1 fight, at least according to his hype.
 
Yeah I suppose Whitebeard isn't the strongest human alive either going by your logic Damage. The statement makes it very clear that Kaido is indeed the strongest creature alive. If he wasn't stronger than Zou physically then he wouldn't even be the strongest creature in the world. You literally cannot be the strongest creature while somehow being weaker than another creature. No offense but your argument doesn't really make much sense. Also Adam has the name of the blog named as Zou's walk, and Calaca can confirm this.


Adam of darkness: I did make a calc for Zou but it was not for his footstep And its Ok

Calaca Vs: This is what I was talking about. Not footsteps but walk.


Adam of darkness: Well yeah.

What was Zou's rush again? Does he run fast as **** or moves his trunk fast as ****
 
Tbf Theres no context to the captures and losses, it may have been him alone vs an entire yonko crew and we don't know when it happened. There is some evidence backing up Kaido being the strongest yonko but the other yonko are still comparable to him and would still scale
 
'Strength' can mean things other than just physical strength you know. It could simply be a statement of his power; he doesn't need be physically stronger to beat Zunisha in a fight.

And I know that's what the name of the blog is; the issue is I want to make sure it is actually a calc for Zunisha's walk and not something else that is mislabelled.
 
Read above Damage. Adam confirmed it was for Zou's walk.


Strength' can mean things other than just physical strength you know. It could simply be a statement of his power; he doesn't need be physically stronger to beat Zunisha in a fight.


Okay, for starters this is something I've noticed with you in general. You think way too into statements and draw your own conclusions. You act as if the author is supposed to give the most detailed information about the statements they make. It's clear via author intent and Occams Razor that Kaido is physically stronger than Zou. Occams Razor would imply that Kaido is physically stronger. Again you can't be considered the strongest but somehow be weaker physically than someone else.
 
Well, I'd like to get another calc group members opinion because Therefir states that it isn't the energy generated by Zunisha's walk.

Since this is one of the most important verses in the calc right now I think it's important that it is clarified.

And yes; I do look into statements rather than just taking them at face value because sometimes they don't just imply the obvious conclusion
 
I don't really care what other calc members think whenever they aren't the ones who made the original calc. Adam should be the one to clarify, not other calc members since he's the one who made the original calc. Not to mention that he quite literally confirmed that it's from Zou's walk, not Zou dropping down.
 
Well, there's a chance the original calcer is mistaken. Hence why I'm just asking for clarification in case a mistake was overlooked.
 
Damage3245 said:
Just want to say that the statement doesn't necessarily mean physical strength; to me it implies that Kaido is the 'strongest' by virtue of being able to beat anyone in a 1-on-1 fight, at least according to his hype.
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From the context Kaido is regarded as the strongest because of his many showings (Off panel) against the other top tiers. Yes, he "lost" but it didn't take away from his credibility if he's known as #1 afterwards.

Big Mom "lost" to King but it wasn't a one on one fight of raw power.

WB "lost" to BB but he had a lot of help againt an all but dead Yonko.

So yes, context obviously matters. We even have standards here about the use of statements for scaling purposes.
 
Because the Sea King Aokiji froze. It makes no sense to think that the rest of its body was just 1 meter below the sea surface.
 
The calc is for the average depth of water frozen. And we don't see to what extent the rest of the Sea King is frozen to.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Because the Sea King Aokiji froze. It makes no sense to think that the rest of its body was just 1 meter below the sea surface.
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That's is a good point, but how much big that Sea King is exactly?
 
@Damage still assuming that the Sea King was completely immobile with 1m of ice restraining him is terrible.

@Stefano there's no clear evidence, but the calc should assumed a slight bigger depth considering the SK's size.
 
Actually, now that my attention has went back to it I think there might be a couple of other flaws with the calc. I need to sleep now but tomorrow I'll try and redo the calc and see if there really are more flaws with it.
 
Calaca Vs said:
@Stefano there's no clear evidence, but the calc should assumed a slight bigger depth considering the SK's size.
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Considering that even the smaller SK can swallow a full-grown man whole, it suggest that even the average SKs are bigger than most whales in real life.
 
To try and account for other variables I'll create a Low End, Mid End and High End version of the calc.
 
I did the Zou calc originally which was later posted here. And yeah it is potential energy of Zou itself. To put it in perspective, it is how much energy you need to simply stand. Zou needs that level of energy to just stand, but we know he has been walking for hundreds of years now. Needless to say this counts as his AP, because obviously movements in which he actually puts effort would generate more energy than it simply standing.

As for KE of Zou rushing I also did that on request (never put it in any blog tho) and got like 5-ish teratons iirc, but I do not generally use KE when it depends on number of assumptions. So its whatever.

TLDR; Calc is scalable. I was asked to give my stance on the topic which I have, hope it helps.
 
Attack Potency and Durability:

Enel's Theoretical Raigou: Scales only to Enel and Luffy's Lightning Resistance

Zunisha's Walk: Scales to the Yonkou, Admirals, and Zunisha; also scales to Whole Cake Island Arc Chopper Guard Point's Durability and beyond

Speed:

Luffy outspeed explosio: Hypersonic+ (Scales to all East Blue Saga characters)

Zoro vanishes from 100 people's line of sight: High Hypersonic (Scales to all Alabasta Saga characters)

Nami and Usopp dodging lightning: Massively Hypersonic (Scales to the low to mid-tier Skypeia Arc characters)

Zoro reacts to lightning: Massively Hypersonic (Scales to the top tier Skypeia Arc characters) Any objections or additons to this calculation list? Any wording that need to be reworked?

Well, this looks good so far but for the Nami and Usopp dodging lightning: calc, Calaca did a rework on Nami speed which is much higher than the one listed.

Nami's speed: Massively Hypersonic for both (First calculatuon scales to low to mid-tier Skypeia Arc characters. Second calculation scales to Enies Lobby Arc characters and beyond)

I don't know about putting a calculation to Luffy's lightning resistance though?
 
BTW, since it was revealed in the latest chapter that Haki can be nullified by Seastone should we make a note about that on the Haki page?
 
Is there a way to calculate Zoro's lifting strength whenever he powered through Fujitora's Gravity pin? Iirc Sabo also has a similar feat, it could upgrade the lifting strength for the upper mid Tiers.
 
Damage3245 said:
BTW, since it was revealed in the latest chapter that Haki can be nullified by Seastone should we make a note about that on the Haki page?
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I would rather hold off on that til it is specified.

It could that Luffy after constantly wearing the Seastone, which drain his stamina, and after all the constant work the prison put him through could result in him being exhausted to the point that he can't concentrate Haki. At best Seastone would indirectly nullify Haki by sapping stamina, not directly.

@Rin Probably, but would it be would it be any higher than Class G, which is where the upper-mid tiers sit on.
 
Well, this looks good so far but for the Nami and Usopp dodging lightning: calc, Calaca did a rework on Nami speed which is much higher than the one listed.

Nami's speed: Massively Hypersonic for both (First calculatuon scales to low to mid-tier Skypeia Arc characters. Second calculation scales to Enies Lobby Arc characters and beyond)

I don't know about putting a calculation to Luffy's lightning resistance though?

So, just change the Nami and Usopp dodging lightning with the Nami's speed one and rid the wording of Luffy's lightning resistance from Enel's calc, got it.

Do I have permission to go and do the edits or should I wait a bit longer?
 
You have it as long as you don't change or break the code. I suggest you to check before making the final edition.
 
Considering there's no jump in power with the Hasshoken with the current ratings, we should get rid of that. But I wouldn't because that might change in the future.
 
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