One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #6

[Adam_of_darkness]

You would have to link me that

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

You would have to link me that

I think he's talking about this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ugarik/Don_Chinjao_Headbutt

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Thank you Plum that's the calc I was talking about. I myself disagree with it.

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

Oh yeah.

Well you already see my counter in the comment section. One can use size of Alabasta to get the low-end value

I did some digging after that and found out that is what NF has done, and it is accepted on OBD

Damage's counter was really silly to say the least. But yeah one should remove that desert splitting calc from Crocodile's page

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I agree with the size being comparable to that of Alabasta and the assumption that he didn't spilt the entire thing always seemed illogical to me.

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

I read some of the postings above so I thought I might as well give some thoughts on who Zou's walk should scale to.

I think Yonkou commanders should scale for one (Jack was able to survive Zou's assault, albeit he was defeated. But it was moreso because they were already in water so Jack even if he wanted could not put up a fight against it. Also correct me if I am wrong but he also did not recieve any notable injury from it)

Nekomamushi and Inuarashi (Fought Jack off for an extended period of time and were allegedly winning the war, before Jack brought in poison gas)

Luffy (More or less fought on par with Katakuri)

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Would it be possible to calculate the amount of energy Zou produces while walking? I'd imagine it'd be above his energy when he stands

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

I agree with the size being comparable to that of Alabasta and the assumption that he didn't spilt the entire thing always seemed illogical to me.

Well yeah, you literally cannot split a solid object without breaking it in 2 parts. It is physically not possible.

break or cause to break forcibly into parts is its definition

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

Would it be possible to calculate the amount of energy Zou produces while walking? I'd imagine it'd be above his energy when he stands

I can, but again it would be based on set of assumptions. Comparing its height to an average elephant, finding its hypothetical speed and then applying KE.

Is VsB willing to give it a pass?

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

I read some of the postings above so I thought I might as well give some thoughts on who Zou's walk should scale to.

We have a calculation here for the actual trunk swing of Zunisha use against Jacky here at a lower result than the Zou's walk and is being use to scale to the Yonkou Commanders I believe.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Zunisha's_trunk_AP

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Well you can always make the calc and post it here. But I think it would be able to pass since the assumptions wouldn't be outrageous. I think the notion of applying a random irl island size for the Jewel Ice Sheet requires more assumptions than Zou walking.

 

[The_Calaca]

IIRC we accept that in our standards but that's up to our calc group members to decide if the calc is valid or not.

 

[Adam_of_darkness]

I read some of the postings above so I thought I might as well give some thoughts on who Zou's walk should scale to.

We have a calculation here for the actual trunk swing of Zunisha use against Jacky here at a lower result than the Zou's walk.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Zunisha's_trunk_AP

In which case you should just powerscale it from his walk. His swing getting lower output does not mean he puts less effort in a fight than his normal walking. Besides one lower value does not negate a higher value. The lower value could fluctuate to be much higher or lower based on the speed, which we have no idea of. We using safe ends potentially downgrades the speed and we get lower results.

And I will see if I get time to do that. I will just post it here someone who is willing to can put it in a blog format

 

[The_Calaca]

I'll post it on a blog then.

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

I dont usually interfere in VsB's discussions until someone asks me to, but this calc is absolutely bullWhat he splitted was sand itself. Sand IS a pulverized material.... so you cant use pulverization value for it. You can use KE but last time i did it I got building level iirc

If this is true, then I guess that make the calculation invalid; we could wait for it to be redone or use the other Desert Spardas where sand isn't the one being splitted;

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Damage3245/Crocodile's_Desert_Spada

or

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Crocodile%27s_Desert_Sparda_and_Sandstorm_Recalc

 

[Stefano4444]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Crocodile%27s_Desert_Sparda_and_Sandstorm_Recalc

The link was broken, now should be fixed.

 

[Damage3245]

There is no basis whatsoever for saying that the area Chinjao split is the size of Alabasta.

I know that in calcs you need to make basic assumptions sometimes; but they have to make sense or be defendable.

If the argument is 'Alabasta is an island in the One Piece world, therefore this other island should compare' then that argument is worthless because I could point out about ten much smaller islands in One Piece.

EDIT: BTW, I've almost finished the new low end and high end of Aokiji's calc. Should have it posted tonight.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Regardless the calc is flawed and needs to be redone with a more accurate size, the argument that Chinjao didn't spilt the entire thing no longer holds and the durability of the ice makes no sense. They used the durability of rock which makes zero sense given the fact that it was struck with multiple pickaxes, which are literally meant to break rocks. And given that Flamethrowers didn't even do anything to the ice the durability of iron or steel should be used.

 

[Damage3245]

The latter point of using a higher durability of material at least makes sense. I'd be interested in seeing the results.

 

[KobsterHope07]

If this is true, then I guess that make the calculation invalid; we could wait for it to be redone or use the other Desert Spardas where sand isn't the one being splitted;

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Damage3245/Crocodile's_Desert_Spada

or

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Crocodile%27s_Desert_Sparda_and_Sandstorm_Recalc

I'm okay with the 8-A one from Damage

 

[KobsterHope07]

If everybody is okay, I will change Crocodile's 516 tons to the 446 ton from his page, Luffy's page and the One Piece Calculation's section.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Done

 

[Damage3245]

Sounds fine to me.

I've completed the remake of Aokiji's calc but I need to discuss it a bit more with Calaca before it is applicable.

There is a feat for General Franky that I think can be calced, and I think I can calc one of Blackbeard's feats but I'm not entirely sure yet.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Is it Blackbeard spewing out a town or him creating the Tsunami? If it's the Tsunami creation then we should hold on that.

 

[Js250476]

Is it the the general cannon for Franky?

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, I'll put a hold on that one.

And yah, it's the General Cannon.

 

[CinCameron20]

The Tsunami calc can be low-balled by using the furthest distance to horizen seen w/ Marineford war. there's no shot showing any nearby islands, but we know Sabaody isn't very far. It would give a diameter of, at minimum, 145km, maybe upwards of 400km. Probably a 6-C feat depending on the method.

 

[The_Calaca]

Do you know a method, Cin?

 

[Ttenrr]

Marinfor is in the middle of the map I think it's possible to know the distance since MF is in the middle of the GL If we know the width of the GL we can get the distance

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...10j0i8i13i30.XIUVWWWEkI8#imgrc=hiMAftCRy6ycYM:

 

[CinCameron20]

We don't know the width of the grand line, and using a map that uses icons will not work.

@Calaca - Plate movements and Meteor impact are both applicable. The latter was acceptable here (mostly because the former resulted in 6-A+ results assuming the entire world was quaking, imo). Idk how to calculate earth-quakes at all, though.

 

[The_Calaca]

Well it worths the try. I have seen that NF calc isn't accepted here because A) the method they use la flawed and B) it's considered an outlier.

For A I have nothing to way since IDK a thing about those Type of calcs but B is for BS since this is a God Tier we're talking about.

 

[CinCameron20]

Regarding Zunisha's trunk feat, I think people missed something important:

Top left panel we see that the ships are still positioned to the middle left of Zou when he winds up the attack. It traveled a greater distance than what is calculated. Also, IDK if we should use KE for an assumed time-frame of 15 seconds. But I'm shocked that we use more than 10 seconds given that no one had time to properly react. Everyone was freaking out and Jack didn't know what to do, let alone give a command.

They see it wind up its trunk, we see the trunk already closing in on Jack, Jack is shocked, everyone screams, and they get struck by the time any of them start trying to run away.

Even if we still use the 15 second time-frame, i recommend including that the trunk had to travel a further distance as Zunisha would have needed to turn his body to even land the strike.

 

[The_Calaca]

Some of us have problems with that as well. 30 seconds is unreal.

 

[Damage3245]

Jack had time to react; his reaction was just shock and silence. As you said, everyone was freaking out and some of them were even running away. This doesn't mean they had no time to react.

 

[CinCameron20]

We only start seeing them react when the trunk is already closing in less than 1km away. By the time it's basically next to the ship, we see people just starting to run.

 

[Stefano4444]

Yes, a timeframe of 30 seconds is a little too long and for the most part i agree, but i had to consider a Low End that most people could agree on, and for many 15 seconds could have been too small for an acceptable timeframe.

Even the acceptable degree of Zunisha's trunk should be higher in my opinion, 180┬░ instead of 135┬░, this is even back up by the Anime.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Stefano - Anime should not be considered here for vast disparity compared to the original source (no matter what. This would imply Zoro = Fujitora and many many more contradictions, post time-skip especially). But the trunk was shown pointing directly to the right, possibly slightly upward, so 180 degrees is already reasonable for the manga.

And the trunk isn't the only thing that moved. Zunisha had to rotate his body at least 80 to 100 degrees to actually land the attack when the ships are located directly to the left of his body, and not his head.

 

[Damage3245]

By the way the original calc for the size/mass of the iceburg that Jozu threw no longer exists, so I'll try to remake that and the calcs for him throwing it and Akainu vaporizing it.

They're not exactly critical calcs but I don't like them currently being based on something we cannot verify.

 

[Stefano4444]

Wasn't only the head (along with the truck) that Zunisha had to move to hit Jack rather than the entire body? Even then, how much exactly it would change the result and how it can be applied in the calc? Do i just need to add 80┬░ degree to 180┬░ and its done?

 

[Ttenrr]

I mean the width of alabasta would work as a lowball