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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #6

Kuma's Ursa Shock was already calced and evaluated.

My version can be seen in the list at the top of the thread.
 
Well, the Fujitora calc is consistent with the current scaling.

As for the Thriller bark ones we'll have to take a look at those because we have a current accepted size for Thriller Bark and we'll need to evaluate which one we go with.
 
Sure...the lifting Dressrosa for Fujitora doesn't really matter since he should scales higher than the result given. The best thing thing to take from it is Class T lifting strength. Speaking of which, is One Piece characters like Doflamingo and Gear 4th to Fujitora for that Class T stat, which if, why? Fujitora has done that feat with his Gravity Fruit which is separate to his regular lifting strength to me.

Or are they scale to Garp's for his casual Giant Cannonball toss?
 
IIRC they scale to Garp, yes.

What do you think about the feats, Damage? I can't take much time looking to the TB size right now due to exams.
 
Okay, I'm going to edit some of the Strawhats profiles and create profiles for the missing Baroque Workers now that we've decided the proper scaling for them.

Nami: At least High 8-C+ | 8-A (backscaling from the Reject Dial) | 7-C+ | 7-C+ | Low 7-B | Low 7-B, Unknown with Zeus

Arabasta Saga | Skypiea Saga | Enies Lobby Saga | Thriller Bark Arc | Dressrosa Saga | Whole Cake Arc

Usopp: At least High 8-C | 8-A | 7-C | 7-C | Low 7-B

Arabasta Saga | Skypiea Saga | Enies Lobby Saga | Thriller Bark Arc | Dressrosa Saga

Chopper: At least High 8-C+ | 8-A | 7-C+ | At least 7-C+, Likely High 7-C (able to damage Oars) | Low 7-B (stronger than Nami and Usopp) | Low 7-B (the only thing that would change here is his Durability with Guard Point)

Arabasta Saga | Skypiea Saga | Enies Lobby Saga | Thriller Bark Arc | Dressrosa Saga | Whole Cake Arc

Franky: 7-C+ | at least 7-C+, likely High 7-C (same as Chopper) | Low 7-B, Unknow with Franky Shogun

Enies Lobby Saga | Thriller Bark Arc | Dressrosa Saga

The reasoning for Nami and Usopp are in my sandbox but I still need to update it according to the recalc.

Thoughts?
 
First impressions are that the ratings seem accurate. Obviously it'd look better with all of the reasonings but I don't see anything in that list that looks wrong.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Usopp: At least High 8-C | 8-A | 7-C | 7-C | Low 7-B

Arabasta Saga | Skypiea Saga | Enies Lobby Saga | Thriller Bark Arc | Dressrosa Saga
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Well for one, Usopp need that '+' to his High 8-C and 7-C but other than that, I support those ratings.
 
Ah, okay.

I'll update its placement in the OP.
 
So should we scale Low Tier Skypiea characters to a 10th part of the Reject Dial power or do we use powerscaling?

The former option would turn some characters 8-B+, while the latter imply backscaling considering Ohm is the strongest priest but he shouldn't be massively above the others.

I remember an instance when Holy (Ohm's dog) punched Zoro and before that Shura kicked Holy and Ohm was concerned about that. Shura's the second strongest tho, and was defeated by Wiper.
 
Maybe scale them to the Impact Dials, but mention that they be possibly stronger by scaling?
 
I would like to bring up the Lassoo's Explosio [Multi-City Block level], I feel like this should affect the rating of Mr. 4 and his dog and thus also affect the rating of his partners and those above or equal to him [i.e Usopp, Chopper, Drophy, Nami, Mrs. Doublefinger]
 
We have considered that one in the ratings before.

But it is a bit of an odd feat. Lassoo regularly releases much smaller explosions that still manage to frequently hurt characters like Usopp and Chopper. If they had 8-A durability then they should be so badly hurt by much less powerful attacks.
 
Damage is correct. We considered it as an outlier after watching that the other explosions are always in the Tier 9 ballpark so scaling is better for this case.
 
I see. If the two Gods came together and agree on such, I have no more objections there. So for Skypeia characters like Nami, Usopp, the weaker priests etc...; they're going be this right?;

AP: City Block level+ (Scaling to characters who can tank Impact Dial which is 1/10 the strength of the Reject Dial - so 71.12 tons), possibly Town level+ (weaker than the 65 Kilotons Characters)

Durability: City Block level+, possibly Town level+


For Wiper [his page need serious upgrade], he could be:

AP: Multi-City Block level+ with Reject Dial ( is 10x more powerful than the more commonly used impact dial, is powerful enough to one shot one of Enel's priests and even can one shot Enel (he only survived because he restarted his own heart with his devil fruit), Small Town level with Burn Bazooka, possibly Town level+ (Can fight evenly against Luffy and Zoro)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Takes out Luffy Zoro and Sanji at the same time, though at the time, they hadn't adapted to the oxygen shortage. Outspeeds Skypeia Luffy. Dodges Ohms attack)

Lifting Strength: At least Class M

Durability: Town level+ (Took one of Enels powerful attacks and stood back up which is something even Zoro failed to do after a similar attack. Takes Luffys gum gum bazooka)

Stamina: Very High (Can fight for a long time and take lots of damage without becoming exhausted. Used the Reject Dial three multiple times in one day and survived even though its so powerful it can kill a normal person after one use)

EDIT: Should we add respect thread available to characters so newcomers can easily look up on characters' feats.
 
Some of the reasoning would be worded in other way, but yeah, that's indeed correct.

I think Wiper should be plain 7-C+ via scaling. The rest of the feats are supportive and the Reject Dial bypasses durability so there's no need to add said rating, just explain how powerful it is with the blog in his profile. This way we'll explain the scaling for the rest.
 
I think we need to work out the scaling chain exactly because Luffy's 7-C+ justification is 'Stronger than Enel' which doesn't make sense since Enel's attacks were clearly much stronger than Luffy's but Luffy had immunity to his electricity.

Enel's original 7-C durability justification of survivng the Reject Dial is no longer 7-C.

The only thing which is 7-C+ in the Skypiea fight is Enel's biggest El Thor on Wiper which one-shot him.

We seem to be backwards scaling a lot from that feat instead of looking at all of the calcs in the arc.
 
Enel generates that energy without problems, Luffy damages him, therefore he scales. That's the base for powerscaling.

Using the Reject Dial as justification is plain wrong. First, that attack bypasses durability. He's not getting a hole in the chest, just a little burn and his heart stopped with the shockwave. If he gets his chest blown up by the RD then I'd agree that he shouldn't scale to 7-C+, but he wasn't physically affected more than getting his heart stopped. Second, Enel's durability should scale to Luffy's strength which is indeed superior to Enel's strength (or just use Newton Third Law to summarize).
 
Enel doesn't get his durability rating from his El Thor's. I can understand someone's physical strikes justifying their durability since they need to tank the energy of their own punch, but as far as I'm aware this isn't always the case.

Ace doesn't need to tank his own fire when he creates a fireball because he is resistant to heat/fire, isn't he?

By that same logic Enel is resistant to electricity which is mentioned on his profile.

I'm not saying him getting nearly killed by the Reject Dial is a reason not to rate him as 7-C+ but tanking an 8-A+ tank granted 8-A+ durability.

Wiper also almost kills himself from the recoil of using 8-A+ attacks multiple times, so that should be a point against him having straight-up 7-C+ durability.

I think it would be more reasonable if Wiper had baseline 7-C durability for using the 8-A+ Reject Dial multiple times and survivng (despite being one-shot) Enel's El Thor.

Luffy and Enel should also be physically 7-C, with Enel's electricity attacks going up to 7-C+.
 
Wiper also fought Luffy and tanked his Bazooka. If he's baseline this fight would be senseless.

Luffy literally pummeled Enel. He generates more power with punches than a casual El Thor which is the easiest attack to perform. Other attacks need little prep time, so Enel can't do them with the same ease as El Thor.

I really don't see the point of this. We agreed on this one months ago. Sanji tanked the El Thor for a couple of seconds and Zoro fought more people before getting attacked by a stronger lightning attack so there's no plothole nor contradiction.

Using the Reject Dial is a supportive feat. They generate said amount of energy, no matter the element or form. Is like saying Luffy shouldn't scale to his attacks because he's rubber.
 
Well, I disagree with you on a couple of points but I don't really want to press the issue.

I'll accept the scaling with Wiper for now.

EDIT: Redacted my disagreements because this isn't the right thread for it.
 
Captain Torch said:
Wait, I just noticed, was Doflamingo's Birdcage durability calc downgraded?
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Yes, I realized I didn't update that part of it when I did the updated meteor calc. So I went back and fixed it and had it re-evaluated.
 
Captain Torch said:
So what do the likes of Luffy and Katakuri scale to now?
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They still scale to Aokiji casual freezer (as Doffy could easily withstand such power), Jack surviving Zunisha's swing trunk (despire having be injured from his previous fight) and they should partially scale to the Admirals.

So either 'At least 7-A, likely 6-C' or Just 'Likely 6-C'.
 
@Stefano Surviving an attack =/= tanking an attack though.

Almost every verse has characters surviving far superior attacks, which obviously doesn't affect the scaling. The only way they scale is if they tank it, or at least aren't knocked out by it.
 
Captain Torch said:
@Stefano
Surviving an attack =/= tanking an attack though.

Almost every verse has characters surviving far superior attacks, which obviously doesn't affect the scaling. The only way they scale is if they tank it, or at least aren't knocked out by it.
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It is very ambigious very Jack was knock out by Zunisha's trunk as he immediately fell in the ocean given that he have no other foothold when his ship was destroyed. The next we saw of Jack after seeing a panel of him tanking the blow was him chilling at the bottom of the ocean with moderate injuries, unable to move due to the weakness of a Devil Fruit.
 
Also, given the size of the trunk in comparison to the size of Jack, Jack survived only a portion of the attack. Someone needs to find the ratio of the area of the trunk to the area of Jack's body to calculate what amount of damage he survived.

EDIT: Actually, after rechecking the feat, I take this back. I thought that the swing was just Zunisha casually moving around, but it seems that it was an actual attack concetrated on the ship/Jack.
 
There's more support for the Likely 6-C.

For example, WB commanders who with some difficulty can keep up with the Admirals. They scale below them, but still scaling. Katakuri as the strongest BM commander cannot be weaker than Jozu, at the very least.

Tsuru and Issho were the ones who defeated Jack when he tried to rescue Doffy. Sengoku wasn't involved. This is from the latest Databook. Despite being injured, Jack was still in one piece (no pun intended) and ready to pick a fight.
 
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