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The problem is that even Fujitora doesn't scale to his own meteors.Captain Torch said:
So there isn't much basis to say that the Admirals have to scale to his meteors.
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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #6
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So there isn't much basis to say that the Admirals have to scale to his meteors.
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Lemme pause you right there. As pointed out previously, Fujitora's meteorites have already been accepted twice now for scaling to other characters. Damage you took part of both of the discussions and your suggestion wasn't agreed upon. Everyone agreed to scaling to the meteorites to the top tiers such as Yonko and Admirals. And from what I've seen you haven't even brought up new arguments for your suggestions. Meanwhile since then there's been multiple things supporting Fujitora's meteorites scaling to Yonko and Admirals. The Gura Gura and the Magu Magu should logically be superior to Anything Fujitora is capable of, and the latter is confirmed by the Databook. You can argue that it's a sub power of Fujitora's Devil Fruit however it's still something that he's only capable of doing through the use of his Devil Fruit. Akainu's Devil Fruit is flat out stated to be the strongest offensive Devil Fruit meanwhile Whitebeard's Gura Gura is the most destructive Devil Fruit in the Paramecia class. You can argue that nobody has ever interacted with said meteorites, but the point still stands that the Admirals and Yonko should scale to it via being massively superior to Fujitora. Occam's Razor would also support this idea. Flat out rejecting them scaling to the meteorite wouldn't make much sense given the context, statements, obvious assumptions and other things. Not to mention that we've been over this twice now, and in both threads you've been debunked and everyone agreed to scaling them aside from you.
Again this also brings up the fact that Fujitora could quite literally drop a meteorite on a Yonko or Admiral and one shot them. Again this doesn't make much sense, for someone like Fujitora being stronger than Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru or any of the Yonko whenever they're all the strongest in the verse and have statements of being the most powerful men, creatures and having direct statements from Word of God of possessing the strongest Devil Fruits. Not to be rude or insulting but your idea of scaling doesn't make much sense, uses more assumptions than not and ignores statements and content by attempting to find the tiniest of loopholes.
Again this also brings up the fact that Fujitora could quite literally drop a meteorite on a Yonko or Admiral and one shot them. Again this doesn't make much sense, for someone like Fujitora being stronger than Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru or any of the Yonko whenever they're all the strongest in the verse and have statements of being the most powerful men, creatures and having direct statements from Word of God of possessing the strongest Devil Fruits. Not to be rude or insulting but your idea of scaling doesn't make much sense, uses more assumptions than not and ignores statements and content by attempting to find the tiniest of loopholes.
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Ah, I guess we might as well have the discussion on Fuji's meteors now.
I know it was agreed upon previously but you agreed to discuss it again and I've had a lot of thoughts since those discussion.
> And from what I've seen you haven't even brought up new arguments for your suggestions.
Well... I have, and I've even talked about them directly to you. Are you free to discuss them currently?
I know it was agreed upon previously but you agreed to discuss it again and I've had a lot of thoughts since those discussion.
> And from what I've seen you haven't even brought up new arguments for your suggestions.
Well... I have, and I've even talked about them directly to you. Are you free to discuss them currently?
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Sure thing.
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We have agreed with the rest of the provisional scaling (except for Fix) so we should move to the next subject.
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1) Fujitora and the Admirals have no feats comparable to the meteors. There is nothing from them even close to that level. So scaling them to the meteors because they're 'massively superior' requires some hard evidence.
2) The energy involved in bringing the meteor into the planet's gravity well is not the same as the final kinetic energy of the meteor. Even if other Devil Fruits like the Magma-Magma Fruit or Tremor-Tremor Fruit were superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit, it would not necessarily make them superior to the meteors. As I have said before; the meteors impact is not Fujitora's own power, it is just a result of it.
3) Claiming that Fujitora could just 'drop a meteor and kill the Yonkou' requires some massive assumptions. Fujitora has never been in a position to do this, and it has never been suggested that when confronted with a meteor that a Yonkou would just stand there and try to tank it.
4) On top of that, Fujitora tried dropping meteors on Doflamingo, Law, and Sabo. Neither of these attacks were very successful. What makes you think that he would have better luck against a Yonkou? (This effectively denies the entire point about bringing up the Yonkou; we've seen Fujitora use meteors in combat and be unsuccessful).
5) As stated earlier in the scaling that you agreed upon, Fujitora is rated as Mountain level based on his existing feats. If you are asserting that Akainu is massively superior to him then you are asserting that he is massively superior to Mountain level.
2) The energy involved in bringing the meteor into the planet's gravity well is not the same as the final kinetic energy of the meteor. Even if other Devil Fruits like the Magma-Magma Fruit or Tremor-Tremor Fruit were superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit, it would not necessarily make them superior to the meteors. As I have said before; the meteors impact is not Fujitora's own power, it is just a result of it.
3) Claiming that Fujitora could just 'drop a meteor and kill the Yonkou' requires some massive assumptions. Fujitora has never been in a position to do this, and it has never been suggested that when confronted with a meteor that a Yonkou would just stand there and try to tank it.
4) On top of that, Fujitora tried dropping meteors on Doflamingo, Law, and Sabo. Neither of these attacks were very successful. What makes you think that he would have better luck against a Yonkou? (This effectively denies the entire point about bringing up the Yonkou; we've seen Fujitora use meteors in combat and be unsuccessful).
5) As stated earlier in the scaling that you agreed upon, Fujitora is rated as Mountain level based on his existing feats. If you are asserting that Akainu is massively superior to him then you are asserting that he is massively superior to Mountain level.
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1) When no feats scaling is the right choice, and surprisingly, they have feats scaling to the Yonko. Don't forget that Borsalino was unfazed by the idea of blocking the Kaido x Big Mom meeting by himself because Sakazuki wouldn't do it considering his place in the hierarchy, and both Ryokugyu and Issho were in Mary Geoise at the moment. Borsalino isn't Shanks. He's a marine and if he has the opportunity he'll fight to capture/kill the pirates and neither Big Mom nor Kaido are willed to surrender just because an admiral is in front of them.
2) It seems irrelevant considering he uses the meteors for fighting purposes. This isn't some case of Enviromental Destruction where you can argue that people shouldn't scale to Birdcage because it's not a normal technique.
3) IIRC this was adressed in some of the previous thread and not by me so I'll let other people to answer this.
4) Said meteors were clearly weaker. You even made the calcs to be sure of what the ratings should be. Here we're talking about the biggest meteor, 13 Gigatons of power, not 44 Kilotons like the other one Law cutted. Of course a 7-C meteor will be unsuccesful against 7-A characters. What was you expecting?
5) That's a temporary rating we agreed before starting this discussion once again despite the numerous times it was agreed that people should scale.
2) It seems irrelevant considering he uses the meteors for fighting purposes. This isn't some case of Enviromental Destruction where you can argue that people shouldn't scale to Birdcage because it's not a normal technique.
3) IIRC this was adressed in some of the previous thread and not by me so I'll let other people to answer this.
4) Said meteors were clearly weaker. You even made the calcs to be sure of what the ratings should be. Here we're talking about the biggest meteor, 13 Gigatons of power, not 44 Kilotons like the other one Law cutted. Of course a 7-C meteor will be unsuccesful against 7-A characters. What was you expecting?
5) That's a temporary rating we agreed before starting this discussion once again despite the numerous times it was agreed that people should scale.
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@Calaca;
1) Scaling is made stronger when based upon feats. I'm saying none of the Admirals or most of the Yonkou indeed have any feats close to the level of the meteors. In fact if we don't scale Kaido to Zunisha that none of the Yonkou or Admirals do.
2) It is relevant to the argument that certain characters Devil Fruits must be superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit. If he isn't outputting Island levels of energy then the argument is hollow.
3) Fair enough.
4) The one against Doffy and Law was, yes. But he dropped multiple meteors on to the Birdcage and didn't hit his opponent, or break the Birdcage. So causing mass-destruction by dropping rocks isn't a guaranteed victory.
5) Fair enough.
1) Scaling is made stronger when based upon feats. I'm saying none of the Admirals or most of the Yonkou indeed have any feats close to the level of the meteors. In fact if we don't scale Kaido to Zunisha that none of the Yonkou or Admirals do.
2) It is relevant to the argument that certain characters Devil Fruits must be superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit. If he isn't outputting Island levels of energy then the argument is hollow.
3) Fair enough.
4) The one against Doffy and Law was, yes. But he dropped multiple meteors on to the Birdcage and didn't hit his opponent, or break the Birdcage. So causing mass-destruction by dropping rocks isn't a guaranteed victory.
5) Fair enough.
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This one is pretty easy to counter.
Fujitora and the Admirals have no feats comparable to the meteors. There is nothing from them even close to that level. So scaling them to the meteors because they're 'massively superior' requires some hard evidence.
This doesn't make much sense in the long run, especially for the Admirals since all thier feats aren't anywhere near their full power. For example, Ichigo doesn't have any feats above 7-A yet we still power scale him to other characters, Natsu doesn't have a feat above 6-C but we still scale him to higher feats. Having lower calculated feats doesn't mean anything and doesn't disqualify the possibility of Admirals and Yonko scaling. Not to mention that the Yonko are all featless, Whitebeard while sick and dying was able to tilt Marineford and the Ocean while holding back. Furthermore, his Quakes are around 7.9 On the Earthquake Chart at bare minimum which are 6-C+. Not too far away from Fujitora's meteorite.
The energy involved in bringing the meteor into the planet's gravity well is not the same as the final kinetic energy of the meteor. Even if other Devil Fruits like the Magma-Magma Fruit or Tremor-Tremor Fruit were superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit, it would not necessarily make them superior to the meteors. As I have said before; the meteors impact is not Fujitora's own power, it is just a result of it.
Fujitora can only drag them down via his own Gravity, he still needs his own Devil Fruit powers to even summon the meteorites to begin with. Along with the fact that he can summon them with ease and use them for direct combat as seen in multiple times throughout Dressrosa. As I said before, you can try to nitpick things by saying that it's a sub power of Fujitora's Devil Fruit but the point is that it's still an ability done through his Devil Fruit and we'll we have several statements, context and basic assumptions that are safer to use than Fujitora having a power that's above everything in the verse.
Claiming that Fujitora could just 'drop a meteor and kill the Yonkou' requires some massive assumptions. Fujitora has never been in a position to do this, and it has never been suggested that when confronted with a meteor that a Yonkou would just stand there and try to tank it.
Let's talk about assumptions real quick. What I'm making isn't a assumption, Fujitora got his Devil Fruit from the Navy and they know what the Devil Fruit does. If Fujitora is able to summon meteorites like that then there's no reason why they wouldn't send him to defeat Yonko single handled via his meteorites. Aside from that it's simple logic, Fujitora obviously isn't stronger than Whitebeard, Akainu, Kuzan and all the other Yonko. They wouldn't need to tank it but most of them wouldn't bother dodging it either. The majority of Yonko are stoic fighters like Whitebeard. They just destroy the thing.
On top of that, Fujitora tried dropping meteors on Doflamingo, Law, and Sabo. Neither of these attacks were very successful. What makes you think that he would have better luck against a Yonkou?
This right here is actually going against your own argument. Not to mention that Fujitora wasn't going all out during any of those fights and had been pretty casual for the majority of the arc. Doffy sliced through one, Law reflected one and I don't recall Sabo ever doing anything against one of them.
As stated earlier in the scaling that you agreed upon, Fujitora is rated as Mountain level based on his existing feats. If you are asserting that Akainu is massively superior to him then you are asserting that he is massively superior to Mountain level.
Said feats are going to be recalculated once we get the Dressrosa size settled so that's essentially a non argument for the time being. Akainu already scales to feats that are much higher than Mountain Level.
Fujitora and the Admirals have no feats comparable to the meteors. There is nothing from them even close to that level. So scaling them to the meteors because they're 'massively superior' requires some hard evidence.
This doesn't make much sense in the long run, especially for the Admirals since all thier feats aren't anywhere near their full power. For example, Ichigo doesn't have any feats above 7-A yet we still power scale him to other characters, Natsu doesn't have a feat above 6-C but we still scale him to higher feats. Having lower calculated feats doesn't mean anything and doesn't disqualify the possibility of Admirals and Yonko scaling. Not to mention that the Yonko are all featless, Whitebeard while sick and dying was able to tilt Marineford and the Ocean while holding back. Furthermore, his Quakes are around 7.9 On the Earthquake Chart at bare minimum which are 6-C+. Not too far away from Fujitora's meteorite.
The energy involved in bringing the meteor into the planet's gravity well is not the same as the final kinetic energy of the meteor. Even if other Devil Fruits like the Magma-Magma Fruit or Tremor-Tremor Fruit were superior to Fujitora's Devil Fruit, it would not necessarily make them superior to the meteors. As I have said before; the meteors impact is not Fujitora's own power, it is just a result of it.
Fujitora can only drag them down via his own Gravity, he still needs his own Devil Fruit powers to even summon the meteorites to begin with. Along with the fact that he can summon them with ease and use them for direct combat as seen in multiple times throughout Dressrosa. As I said before, you can try to nitpick things by saying that it's a sub power of Fujitora's Devil Fruit but the point is that it's still an ability done through his Devil Fruit and we'll we have several statements, context and basic assumptions that are safer to use than Fujitora having a power that's above everything in the verse.
Claiming that Fujitora could just 'drop a meteor and kill the Yonkou' requires some massive assumptions. Fujitora has never been in a position to do this, and it has never been suggested that when confronted with a meteor that a Yonkou would just stand there and try to tank it.
Let's talk about assumptions real quick. What I'm making isn't a assumption, Fujitora got his Devil Fruit from the Navy and they know what the Devil Fruit does. If Fujitora is able to summon meteorites like that then there's no reason why they wouldn't send him to defeat Yonko single handled via his meteorites. Aside from that it's simple logic, Fujitora obviously isn't stronger than Whitebeard, Akainu, Kuzan and all the other Yonko. They wouldn't need to tank it but most of them wouldn't bother dodging it either. The majority of Yonko are stoic fighters like Whitebeard. They just destroy the thing.
On top of that, Fujitora tried dropping meteors on Doflamingo, Law, and Sabo. Neither of these attacks were very successful. What makes you think that he would have better luck against a Yonkou?
This right here is actually going against your own argument. Not to mention that Fujitora wasn't going all out during any of those fights and had been pretty casual for the majority of the arc. Doffy sliced through one, Law reflected one and I don't recall Sabo ever doing anything against one of them.
As stated earlier in the scaling that you agreed upon, Fujitora is rated as Mountain level based on his existing feats. If you are asserting that Akainu is massively superior to him then you are asserting that he is massively superior to Mountain level.
Said feats are going to be recalculated once we get the Dressrosa size settled so that's essentially a non argument for the time being. Akainu already scales to feats that are much higher than Mountain Level.
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@Rin;
1) It doesn't entirely disqualify them but it does make it harder to accept. And Whitebeard doesn't have any accepted calcs yet.
2) Yes, his own gravity. Which is impossible to calc for that feat, and has been calced by another feat to be significantly lower. It's not nitpicking to say that Fujitora isn't Island level by himself. Therefore characters who are superior to him aren't necessarily Island level.
3) Yes; that is an assumption. You're assuming that if Fujitora can get in position to fight a Yonkou and have a suitably large enough meteor accessible that the Marines would just send him out to launch a solo mission against the Yonkou. The story has never suggested this; it is entirely your own theory. Back it up with some evidence and you might have a point.
4) You're quite right; Fujitora isn't stronger than Whitebeard, Akainu, etc... that has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about. Fujitora's meteors aren't his own strength.
5) Not, it's not going against my own argument; it is proof that meteors in combat aren't a 100% guaranteed win. Therefore you have no reason to assume they will be a guaranteed win against the Yonkou.
AP isn't everything in fiction. The One Piece story / plot isn't subservient to VS Battles rules...
1) It doesn't entirely disqualify them but it does make it harder to accept. And Whitebeard doesn't have any accepted calcs yet.
2) Yes, his own gravity. Which is impossible to calc for that feat, and has been calced by another feat to be significantly lower. It's not nitpicking to say that Fujitora isn't Island level by himself. Therefore characters who are superior to him aren't necessarily Island level.
3) Yes; that is an assumption. You're assuming that if Fujitora can get in position to fight a Yonkou and have a suitably large enough meteor accessible that the Marines would just send him out to launch a solo mission against the Yonkou. The story has never suggested this; it is entirely your own theory. Back it up with some evidence and you might have a point.
4) You're quite right; Fujitora isn't stronger than Whitebeard, Akainu, etc... that has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about. Fujitora's meteors aren't his own strength.
5) Not, it's not going against my own argument; it is proof that meteors in combat aren't a 100% guaranteed win. Therefore you have no reason to assume they will be a guaranteed win against the Yonkou.
AP isn't everything in fiction. The One Piece story / plot isn't subservient to VS Battles rules...
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Before this gets out of hand with multiple people responding, I want to say that this might be best solved on a Staff Discussion thread with only one person on each side posting (along with the staff of course). So that things don't get muddled up.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
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1) Scaling is made stronger with feats is a true, but denying the scaling just because there's no feats but statements (many of them and even WoG's) is plain wrong. There's statements that shouldn't be used, like Shirohige destroying the world, but his fruit being the most broken Paramecia in terms of Destructive Power isn't a strecth if we take Fujitora in the equation.
2) I mean, he is bringing the meteors at SEV (since we have no clear timeframe that's the correct assumption) which would make the energy, effectively, 6-C. Dunno if that's how it works tbf.
4) We have no evidence of what happened to the meteor except for a scan where the marines dodged it. You're forgetting that he did that with no consideration about his life and the Birdcage. The meteor was cutted because a causality said so, but he was willed to bring the meteors to destroy everything if possible. On top of that, his opponent was a Logia-user. We don't know what happened after that and it's more possible that Sabo would be invulnerable against that.
2) I mean, he is bringing the meteors at SEV (since we have no clear timeframe that's the correct assumption) which would make the energy, effectively, 6-C. Dunno if that's how it works tbf.
4) We have no evidence of what happened to the meteor except for a scan where the marines dodged it. You're forgetting that he did that with no consideration about his life and the Birdcage. The meteor was cutted because a causality said so, but he was willed to bring the meteors to destroy everything if possible. On top of that, his opponent was a Logia-user. We don't know what happened after that and it's more possible that Sabo would be invulnerable against that.
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Making a thread about this sounds better.
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@Calaca;
1) If we had solid scaling to base it on, that'd be fine. But I think that some things are just being taken for granted here. Ranks don't translate to specific AP automatically, nobody has been stated to be superior to the meteors, the databook statement doesn't line up either. Akainu's DF can still have higher offensive power than Fuji's DF and still be inferior to the meteorites.
2) As I've explained before, the energy in the calc isn't the amount of energy Fujitora is using. Fujitora potency cannot be derived from the meteor calc.
4) You could be right. Sabo could easily have avoided the meteor due to being a logia. But what does that say? It means that the meteors aren't a guaranteed win as there will be ways to avoid them. As we've seen both Big Mom and Kaido can fly to potentially avoid it, and maybe Shanks or Blackbeard could simply destroy an incoming meteor... but I don't think it's possible to assume it without actually seeing it. It's too much of an assumption based on just speculation.
1) If we had solid scaling to base it on, that'd be fine. But I think that some things are just being taken for granted here. Ranks don't translate to specific AP automatically, nobody has been stated to be superior to the meteors, the databook statement doesn't line up either. Akainu's DF can still have higher offensive power than Fuji's DF and still be inferior to the meteorites.
2) As I've explained before, the energy in the calc isn't the amount of energy Fujitora is using. Fujitora potency cannot be derived from the meteor calc.
4) You could be right. Sabo could easily have avoided the meteor due to being a logia. But what does that say? It means that the meteors aren't a guaranteed win as there will be ways to avoid them. As we've seen both Big Mom and Kaido can fly to potentially avoid it, and maybe Shanks or Blackbeard could simply destroy an incoming meteor... but I don't think it's possible to assume it without actually seeing it. It's too much of an assumption based on just speculation.
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I'll send a message to Ant and see if he can arrange one.Rin The Dragon Empress said:
I suppose we should put the topic on hold for now and look at the other scaling.
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Let's continue this in the thread for the subject.
So I'm going to ask for, dunno, 8th time? Should we scale Miss Doublefinger to Daz Bonez or put her at at least High 8-C+ instead?
So I'm going to ask for, dunno, 8th time? Should we scale Miss Doublefinger to Daz Bonez or put her at at least High 8-C+ instead?
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@Calaca; I don't think Miss Doublefinger has done anything to be comparable to Daz Bones? I think At least High 8-C+ is probably better.
We do have a Building+ calc for her that is almost Large Building level.
We do have a Building+ calc for her that is almost Large Building level.
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I'm going to start writing the CRT for the meteor discussion. It'll be Staff exclusive to avoid more problems.
Scaling is better considering she fought Nami and she shouldn't be far weaker in arabasta than the MT in EB. But I'll save my arguments for later so I can put the effort in the CRT.
Scaling is better considering she fought Nami and she shouldn't be far weaker in arabasta than the MT in EB. But I'll save my arguments for later so I can put the effort in the CRT.
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@Calaca; shouldn't we wait to see what Ant says regarding the discussion?
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This discussion has been going for months and many arguments has been brought up to the table. He won't be able to read all of them considering his lack of time and energy so making a separate discussion is a better option.
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Agreed, just inform Ant about it.
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No, I meant I asked him on his Message Wall if a Staff Discussion thread could be made for it.
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Aren't we allowed to make staff discussion threads? We were allowed to do it with a FT downgrade thread so I don't see why we can't just make one.
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Oh, we are? I didn't realize.
In that case go ahead and I'll change my message to Ant.
In that case go ahead and I'll change my message to Ant.
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I think both Fujitora and Doflamingo should be At least Mountain level (if we scale them from weaker characters as it would be more safe) for be considerably stronger than Golem Pica, Law or Gear 2nd/3rd Luffy and because Doffy easily survived a casual freeze from Aokiji.Damage3245 said:
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Well, I don't think anyone would have any issue with that. It doesn't change much.
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We have been through this many times. You're bringing nothing new to the discussion and you basically assumed the new ratings after ignoring all the previous discussion.
So I don't know what did you expect from us.
So I don't know what did you expect from us.
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The Black Knight's AP should scale at least to Gear 2nd Luffy or Law for pressuring the latter and injuring the former, but its Durability can be made Unknown since fodder have been able to destroy it (though it's hard to kill as it can work through dismemberment and decapitation, and has only been incapacitated when bisected or broken into pieces).
IDK if i brought it up before.
Also, Miss Double-Finger literally only has 9-B+/9-A feats at her best. She still should scale to or above Miss Merry Christmas anyways, as it would be ridiculous for her to be inferior to the rest of the top operatives considering she is one of them, and partnered with the strongest one
IDK if i brought it up before.
Also, Miss Double-Finger literally only has 9-B+/9-A feats at her best. She still should scale to or above Miss Merry Christmas anyways, as it would be ridiculous for her to be inferior to the rest of the top operatives considering she is one of them, and partnered with the strongest one
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Gear 2 Luffy in the Dressrosa Arc will probably be around City level; so the rating currently is relatively accurate. We'll get to that when we focus on Luffy's ratings again.
@Cin; Miss Doublefinger does have an 8-C+ feat, so that's something.
@Cin; Miss Doublefinger does have an 8-C+ feat, so that's something.
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It is described as being large, but we don't have any specific measurements yet.
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I know but my hope, we get a panel with the map where we can see Zunisha. And if we get such panel where we could make a calc ,how we find out how large are the Wano Country. Onigashima is a island yet it is 10-12 smaller then the Wano Country. I have my hopes, we could at least get some country lvl feats if Kaido or some other show amazing attack or something.Damage3245 said:
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KobsterHope07/Enel's_Island_Busting_Raigou_(Redux) - Enel's updated theoretical Raigou has been accepted at 28.63 Gigatons. I will update Enel's page soon with it
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Shockingly Enel currently has the best accepted calc out of all the characters (even if it is for a feat that never happened).
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Well, he is God for a reason.Damage3245 said:
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Okay, firstly, on Enel's page, his speed normally is still High Hypersonic despite keeping up with Zoro and Luffy who are both Massively Hypersonic.
Next, we have this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KobsterHope07/Luffy_pushes_buildings
This is Luffy's lifting strength feat in Water Seven/Enies Lobby's key when he bully two buildings and push them down. It was rated as Class M. Also the "managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons" is Paramount War Saga Luffy's feat, not Enies Lobby's.
So a draft for Luffy's new lifting strength stat;
At least Class M (Tossed a sea monster over 50m in length a considerable distance with relative ease) | At least Class M (Superior to Sanji) | At least Class M | At least Class M (Pushed a city block apart from an awkward positio where he didn't even have enough space to spread his arms) | Class G (Superior to Sanji), At least Class G as Nightmare Luffy (Capable of throwing Oars around easily like a rag-doll) | Class G (Managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons)
Can I make these changes?
Next, we have this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KobsterHope07/Luffy_pushes_buildings
This is Luffy's lifting strength feat in Water Seven/Enies Lobby's key when he bully two buildings and push them down. It was rated as Class M. Also the "managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons" is Paramount War Saga Luffy's feat, not Enies Lobby's.
So a draft for Luffy's new lifting strength stat;
At least Class M (Tossed a sea monster over 50m in length a considerable distance with relative ease) | At least Class M (Superior to Sanji) | At least Class M | At least Class M (Pushed a city block apart from an awkward positio where he didn't even have enough space to spread his arms) | Class G (Superior to Sanji), At least Class G as Nightmare Luffy (Capable of throwing Oars around easily like a rag-doll) | Class G (Managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons)
Can I make these changes?
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Since these are just simple stat updates I think they're fine to add.
Though ' Managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons ' seems a bit weird without an actual calc to give a precise value.
Though ' Managed to throw a rock over 100 meters giving him strength in the millions of tons ' seems a bit weird without an actual calc to give a precise value.
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There used to be a calculation in NarutoForums that show that but you know NarutoForums, most of it links are not working.Damage3245 said:
Found these on http://www.millenniumforums.com/archive/index.php/t-3170.html
Garp's, Jozu's and Luffy's feats come out when calculated:
Garp's humongous iron boll feat (http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=38294864&postcount=121): 1.5 billion tons-force, and the iron ball itself is estimated at 9.9 million (metric) tons (and he did it with one arm :argh).
Jozu's iceberg feat (http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=38288429&postcount=95): 57 million tons-force, and the iceberg itself is estimated at 0,94 million (metric) tons.
Luffy's hill toss: 13-19 million tons-force (unfortunately, I only found references (http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=722000)to it and not the calc itself).
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