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One Piece - Pica Feats Downgrade

@Stefano; we do have a calc of that Daisen Sekai though.
 
@Stefano

Slicing something in half and obliterating it fully are two things. To overcome the AP of Pica's moving the entire mass of stone, I'd expect someone to blast apart the entire mass of stone whilst it is in motion similarly to what gives it the AP rating.
 
Xulrev said:
@Stefano
Slicing something in half and obliterating it fully are two things.
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One-Shot doesn't requid total physical destruction of the opponent, as the relative page go.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/One-Shot

- A One-Shot is a self-explanatory term, referring to defeating an opponent in a single attack.

Take two hypothetical opponents. We'll call them Fighter A and Fighter B.In a normal fight, Fighters A and B can exchange several attacks with each other. When one of the fighters can one-shot, Fighter A can incapacitate, if not outright kill Fighter B with a single attack.
 
So slicing a mass of stone in half scales Zoro to Pica's full AP, in short, is what you're trying to argue?

Hahaha, well alrighty
 
Damage3245 said:
This is what I would propose for Pica:
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro), higher with Stone Golems (Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Golems. Threatened to wipe out the Royal Plateua with a single punch)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class, higher with Stone Golems

Durability: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro)
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I propose something different:

Attack Potency: Mountain level (Generates this much energy to create the Flower Hill. Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Golem), higher with Stone Golem

Striking Strength: Mountain Class, higher with Stone Golem

Durability: Mountain level (Comparable to his Attacking Power. Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro)
 
I can see why you would think of it like that, but I currently think my proposal makes more sense. Yours has nothing to base the "higher" on.
 
I was just following the setup of Pica's profile when I did that draft. Then I guess we take off the 'higher with Stone Golem'.

It wasn't the Stone Golem that perform the feats but Pica himself did with his own powah. The Stone body did nothing to contribute to the feats but just exist
 
Personally i think it should be like this.

Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro for a brief period of time, but was ultimately outmatched by him in combat), Mountain level with Devil Fruit's Power (He can control a mountain-sized statue of himself freely. Generates this much energy to create the Flower Hill. Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Stone Golem)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class

Durability: Likely Mountain level (Survived Zoro's Sanzen Sekai, despire be defeated by that attack)

Since the Stone Golem wouldn't affect his Striking Strength in anyway.
 
^Thanks @Stefano

That's a pretty low base line mountain level. I assume all these cals are using the same accepted size of Pica (and the currently accepted one).
 
Dr.Fix said:
^Thanks @Stefano
That's a pretty low base line mountain level. I assume all these cals are using the same accepted size of Pica (and the currently accepted one).
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Yes, but considering that a casual Zoro >= Stone Golem Pica, he would still be like 3 times above baseline 7-A.

It wasn't as high as before, but it still quite impressive.
 
@PlumCrayfish, there's a whole big discussion in another thread right now about whether or not Pica's feats in his stone golems scale to his base physicals.

I'm on the side that's against it.
 
We already did a calc based on the Zunesha calc for Pica and it came out as 7-B+. As for the PE or KE of Pica walking to the Royal Plateau, no calc was done of that
 
The Prince of Counters said:
Couldn't you do a calc with the amount of KE or PE Pica produces by walking? Or use the same method that the Zou calc uses?
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There is a calc for Pica's statue standing up and it's City level.
 
PlumCrayfish376 said:
@Stefano4444 - Why are you separating Pica from his own Devil Fruit?
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Due of the fact that by how Pica's Devil Fruit work, we cannot fully prove that his Devil Fruit fully scale to his natural physical strength, so not everyone may want to agree on directly scaling AP to Striking Strength to Durability.

However we can be more than certain that all his feats done with his Devil Fruit must scale to each other, if he can generate +300 Megatons for creating the Flower Hill, it shouldn't be hard to believe that he is be capable to produce the same amount of energy with his Stone Golems.
 
@ Damage - But the thing is that the feats was not done with the Stone Golem, the Stone Golem did not create the Flower Hill nor did it repair the arm/torso. Pica himself did it. The only thing that the Stone Golem would probably scales to by itself (if the other thread turn out to be rejected) would be it destroying the Royal Plateau…theoretically.
 
@Wrath of Itachi; just waiting on the other thread for Pica to finish, which it looks like it is near to. Once that's done, my proposal can be reviewed again and the changes can start happening if accepted.
 
Damage3245 said:
This is what I would propose for Pica:
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro), higher with Stone Golems (Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Golems. Threatened to wipe out the Royal Plateua with a single punch)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class, higher with Stone Golems

Durability: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro)
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I think that it should be fine to apply this change to Pica's profile now, and update the other affected profiles listed in the OP unless anyone has any other objections?.
 
Let me quick here. Firstly, the calc for the Flower Hill is not there. Secondly, I don't understand why the calc is listed for Stone Golem's justifications since the Stone Golem hasn't perform the feat but rather Pica himself did.
 
@Plumcrayfish; it's because we don't scale Pica's feats with his stone manipulation to his base self. There was a CRT to try and change this recently but it doesn't look it has been accepted.

I'll add in the calc for the Flower Hill.
 
Damage3245 said:
This is what I would propose for Pica:
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro), higher with Stone Golems (Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Golems. Threatened to wipe out the Royal Plateua with a single punch)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class, higher with Stone Golems

Durability: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro)
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Instead of "with Stone Golems", i personally think it should be either "via Stone Manipulation" or "via Devil Fruit's Power", since is not like Pica can generate +100 Megatons by only using the Stone Golems.
 
@Stefano4444; fair point. I'll correct the wording on that.
 
His profile lists "with stone" the same as otherwise. No different rating and no "higher with" rating.

If the timeframe for the 800 megatons calc is suspect than it shold be a simple downgrade the 300 one.
 
Damage3245 said:
This is what I would propose for Pica:
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro), higher via Devil Fruit (Able to generate this much energy to repair his damaged Golems. Threatened to wipe out the Royal Plateua with a single punch. Reshaped the landscape to create Flower Hill)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class, higher via Devil Fruit

Durability: Likely Mountain level (Able to trade blows with a casual Zoro)
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Looks better Stefano?
 
You changed it from Stone to Devil fruit but I still don't know why you're changing it to "higher"??? I think straight up Mountain Level is best.
 
@Dr. Fix; for the same reason why his page is currently written the way it is. Pica's base self doesn't fully scale to what he can do with stone manipuloation.

@DDM; thanks. I'll make the changes to the profiles today.
 
Yeah, there's a lot of profiles to update so I'm just waiting until I've got some free time in a bit before I start applying the changes.
 
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